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Ah sorry, didnt realise that.

Summary: Every country is different, so very hard to generalise. Trump may actually do more harm to the Tories than Reform in the UK.
Strange, as the Tories could, if they wanted to, distance themselves from Trump and appeal to the right-wing economically, centrist socially, bloc of the electorate that always was their constituency in the past.

Even Badenoch, strident as she is, is a good deal less extreme than Farage. I realise she's been really quite pro-Trump and anti-woke but at least a Badenoch government would probably have sane people in it, which might cause some moderation of policy. A Reform government would, IMO, have no even vaguely moderate voices whatsoever. It would, IMO, be like the current Trump government in the US - at best.
The appeal of Farage baffles me. It must be more 'heart' than 'head'. This is the same bloke who appealed to (largely) the same audience in 2016, with (largely) the same message. And 'won'. 9 years later, people still feel no better off.
So... "We'll give him another go"
I know that calling people 'stupid' is never to going to win them around. But sometimes it feels very hard not to...
Rather than "stupid" you could use polite terms such as "naive" and "misinformed". But either way, people need to realise that if we elect Farage, we will get what America is getting right now. Or perhaps something akin to Orban's Hungary.
 
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Strange, as the Tories could, if they wanted to, distance themselves from Trump and appeal to the right-wing economically, centrist socially bloc of the electorate that always was their constituency in the past.

Even Badenoch, strident as she is, is a good deal less extreme than Farage. I realise she's been really quite pro-Trump and anti-woke but at least a Badenoch goverment would probably have sane people in it. A Reform government would be full of the unhinged.

Rather than "stupid" you could use polite terms such as "naive" and "misinformed". But either way, people need to realise that if we elect Farage, we will get what America is getting right now. Or perhaps something akin to Orban's Hungary.
Good terms to use, thanks. Agree 100% on what we woudl get, Reform scare the proverbial out of me. Makes me sad for our country.

The argument re: Trump and the Tories (and the centre right in the EU more widely) is that close association with MAGA (e.g.Badenoch counts JD Vance as a personal friend, allegedly) effectively limits any Tory inroads into centrist voters (e.g. vs Lib Dems in the South of England) whilst not gaining much to the Right (the 'you may as well have the real Farage as opposed to a tribute act' argument).
 

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Good terms to use, thanks. Agree 100% on what we woudl get, Reform scare the proverbial out of me. Makes me sad for our country.
My only hope is that fear of Reform will become more widespread in the coming years, particularly if they implement extreme policies in the councils they run.

Plus, my other hope is that many of us, perhaps more than 50%, will engage in "Anyone But Reform" tactical voting. You'll probably end up with lifelong Tory critics voting Tory in two-horse races between them and Reform. The Government would also be well-advised to change the voting system in the next few years, too - I suspect that a PR system would dilute Reform's influence by limiting them to around 30% of MPs, assuming they retain the vote share of the locals.

I suspect that these local elections will be a wake-up call and will galvanise the anti-Reform movement.
The argument re: Trump and the Tories (and the centre right in the EU more widely) is that close association with MAGA (e.g.Badenoch counts JD Vance as a personal friend, allegedly) effectively limits any Tory inroads into centrist voters (e.g. vs Lib Dems in the South of England) whilst not gaining much to the Right (the 'you may as well have the real Farage as opposed to a tribute act' argument).

Fair enough - though that is also an argument against the Tories, and any other centre-right parties, continuing with a hardline approach.

The Tories can, surely, move back towards the centre-right. They'd probably have to replace Badenoch with someone else (Cleverly? Stride?) for this to happen - but they have four years to make it happen.

Same goes with Labour, they're making a mistake IMO in pursuing a hard line on immigration - for exactly the same reason, they're becoming a Reform tribute act on this matter, at least. Something in one of the papers today about reporting immigrants to the Home Office for any crime and possible deportation as a result - what's that all about? Speeding or parking offences? That makes even Trump look liberal, and will it really gain them votes?
 
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Rather than "stupid" you could use polite terms such as "naive" and "misinformed".
Both of which simply attract replies along the lines of "I'm not the one who believes everything in written in the leftist woke mainstream media".

The problem with arguing against the populism driven ideologies like Trump and Farage is that they are anti-factual. It doesn't matter if they're completely wrong, if there's no evidence to support them, or it's something that's not in their power to deliver - it's all about whether it'll be a popular sound bite. It doesn't matter how many times people argue that the Lincolnshire Mayor can't sack any DEI officers - nobody is listening - it's the idea that's important, not whether it's realistic or achievable.

The big question should be "how to we inform the population who are easily taken in by simple and unachievable solutions" - a much bigger challenge when "we've all had enough of experts" is one of their mantras.
 

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Do the Trump soundbites "sound good" though? I'd have thought they'd sound bad. "Erm... tariffs are good. No, tariffs are bad". "I should be Pope", etc. With respect none of that makes him sound good.
But all the hot air about making eggs and "gas" cheaper, deporting people and keeping women "safe" (by not allowing trans-women to use women's "bathrooms") sounds potentially appealing to the average everyday person who has no real interest in political goings on and is just bothered about how they perceived their own life to be affected.

I'm surprised people are not interested in other countries, as to my mind, many of the big issues in politics in recent months, at least until these local elections, have been about international affairs and their possible effect on us. Russia's invasion of Ukraine, for one. Netanyahu's bombing of Palestine. India and Pakistan squabbling. Trump (a long list of things). Elon Musk sticking his oar in, and generally not in a good way. The rise of AfD.

Indeed, our own problems are basically (to me) a direct consequence of international events such as the war in Ukraine and Covid.
I realise I'm generalising massively here, and it probably doesn't apply to most people commenting on a political thread!, but here goes...

People don't see all that. They're vaguely aware of some it, but let's face it, in today's world people aren't reading newspapers and with social media and streaming and a gazillion TV channels and everything else, aren't sitting and watching the evening news because they've only got 4 channels and it's on 3 if them at the same time.

Or rather, I should probably say, they don't see the correlation between what's going on elsewhere and what's happening here. They buy their food from Tesco, not Ukraine. Their fuel comes from the Shell garage two streets away, not the Middle East. They buy stolen meat from a bloke in the pub and buy everything else from Amazon, because the high street shops are too expensive and the town centre is lawless, without seeing the link.

Being in the EU didn't make it easier for Frank from Kettering to go and live and work in Poland (it would have done if Frank had that intention, but he didn't, so it didn't actually benefit him). But it did make it easier for Marek from Poland to live next door to Frank and work in Kettering (and take all the jobs that Frank was never going to do anyway).

Traffic congestion can't possibly be the reason why Susan's bus is late, there's isn't any on the quiet residential street where she's waiting at the bus stop. She doesn't see the traffic congestion in the town centre 3 miles before her stop, so it doesn't affect her - but she does see the bus driver when the bus finally arrives, so it must be his fault.

Etc etc etc
 
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But all the hot air about making eggs and "gas" cheaper, deporting people and keeping women "safe" (by not allowing trans-women to use women's "bathrooms") sounds potentially appealing to the average everyday person who has no real interest in political goings on and is just bothered about how they perceived their own life to be affected.


I realise I'm generalising massively here, and it probably doesn't apply to most people commenting on a political thread!, but here goes...

People don't see all that. They're vaguely aware of some it, but let's face it, in today's world people aren't reading newspapers and with social media and streaming and a gazillion TV channels and everything else, aren't sitting and watching the evening news because they've only got 4 channels and it's on 3 if them at the same time.

Or rather, I should probably say, they don't see the correlation between what's going on elsewhere and what's happening here. They buy their food from Tesco, not Ukraine. Their fuel comes from the Shell garage two streets away, not the Middle East. They buy stolen meat from a bloke in the pub and buy everything else from Amazon, because the high street shops are too expensive and the town centre is lawless, without seeing the link.

I have to admit, I am utterly amazed that the "average person" doesn't know more about the world. It mystifies me, because I have only ever associated with people who have knowledge of world events. And I don't even sit down and watch the news on TV: I generally get my information from sources like the BBC website, the Guardian and Independent websites, and news bulletins on radio, as well as... erm... internet forums like this one.

The real question for us is: will the % of people who fear Reform exceed the % that want them in the next election? If 30% want them but 40% will do anything to keep them out of power, including voting for a party they've always disliked, then they can be kept out.

I'm still optimistic that at some point, right-wing populism will be shown up for what it is; for example, perhaps there will be a major crisis of some kind in the USA in the next four years as a result of Trumpism. At the end of the day, I suspect many UK residents just want the relatively reasonable life (not perfect, but not horrific either) we've been enjoying in the post-war era to go on, and not jump into an unknown with Reform.
 

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The appeal of Farage baffles me. It must be more 'heart' than 'head'. This is the same bloke who appealed to (largely) the same audience in 2016, with (largely) the same message. And 'won'. 9 years later, people still feel no better off.
So... "We'll give him another go"
I know that calling people 'stupid' is never to going to win them around. But sometimes it feels very hard not to...
Not sure I follow this one. Farage was not elected as an MP or councillor in 2016. In fact UKIP didn't win any MP seats from 2016 onwards despite fielding 428 MP candidates.

UKIP did win a number of council seats (500 or so). Farage then left UKIP and their re-election results plummeted. Unless I've missed something about Farage planning to leave Reform, I can't imagine it being that comparable. Not to mention that in UK parliamentary elections around this time, UKIP secured huge % of the vote share, but won no seats, so supporters quite rightly next time around would think well that was pointless, it's either party X or party Y now, so I'll go X to keep Y out. This time people will see that actually just a few more votes can flip seats, they can get mayors, and probably Farage will stay on rather than some no-name party leader.

UKIP's biggest success was in the European Parliament, where they even became the largest UK party represented in the parliament. They kept up their pressure for an EU referendum, Cameron folded, Brexit parties led a successful campaign and here we are out of the EU.

While the promises of £x for the NHS or a Y% drop in immigration may not have materialised, the Farage supporters will see that he 'sticks to his guns' and is consistent. Couple that with not speaking like a PR robot, and I think it's clear why many continue their support for him.
 

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Not sure I follow this one. Farage was not elected as an MP or councillor in 2016. In fact UKIP didn't win any MP seats from 2016 onwards despite fielding 428 MP candidates.

UKIP did win a number of council seats (500 or so). Farage then left UKIP and their re-election results plummeted. Unless I've missed something about Farage planning to leave Reform, I can't imagine it being that comparable. Not to mention that in UK parliamentary elections around this time, UKIP secured huge % of the vote share, but won no seats, so supporters quite rightly next time around would think well that was pointless, it's either party X or party Y now, so I'll go X to keep Y out. This time people will see that actually just a few more votes can flip seats, they can get mayors, and probably Farage will stay on rather than some no-name party leader.

UKIP's biggest success was in the European Parliament, where they even became the largest UK party represented in the parliament. They kept up their pressure for an EU referendum, Cameron folded, Brexit parties led a successful campaign and here we are out of the EU.

While the promises of £x for the NHS or a Y% drop in immigration may not have materialised, the Farage supporters will see that he 'sticks to his guns' and is consistent. Couple that with not speaking like a PR robot, and I think it's clear why many continue their support for him.
Well he's certainly consistent, I'll give you that. Consistently wrong.
Farage wasnt elected at the time, but that's irrelevant. He was one of the (arguably the main) leading campaigner for Brexit. He was the 'face and voice' of Brexit; he was all over the media, all the time. When the results came in; he hailed it as a turning point for the UK. I'm not sure of the value of 'sticking to your guns' when pretty much nothing that you promised turned out to actually come to pass; but many people still support him, so there's clearly something I'm missing, and 'not speaking like a PR robot' is probably part of it. (See also: B Johnson)
 

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There is nothing progressive about a high level of immigration. The population of England increased by an average of just 100,000 people a year from 46 million to 49 million from 1971 to 2001. This is a sustainable level of population increase but 49 million was already greater than the number of people for which England can provide enough to eat from agriculture within the country.

Actually the 1971 population was 46.4 and with the population in 1991 being 47.9 so the average then was 75,000, with then 1991 to 2001 being 160,000 per year (i.e. there was already a growing population).

A lot of new towns were built after World War Two but these were needed to provide housing for the population increase of around five million people between the the end of World War Two and 1971. There is already a severe shortage of housing in England so the 1.5 million houses planned in the current five year Parliament are needed for the existing population. There is no chance of easing the housing shortage unless immigration is greatly reduced.

The reason there's a need for housing for the existing population is more to do with shrinking household sizes (mostly due to the aging population as for some reason older people statically have fewer babies than younger couples) than increasing population.

For every 2 homes needed due rising population size 3 homes are needed due to falling household sizes.

From 2001 to 2011 the population of England increased by four million to 53 million mostly due to immigration. This totally unsustainable rate of increase continued to 56.5 million in 2021 and was clearly the main reason for the around 53% vote in England to leave the European Union. However the previous Conservative Government failed to get this message from voters and in the last Parliament 2020 to 2024 added around another two million people through a level of immigration far higher than happened when this country was in the European Union.

I could see that could be an issue, although it's also worth noting that in the same timeframe those over 65 also increased by 0.9 million, so arguably a fair number of those were needed to pay for the extra pensioners (on a 3.6 to 1 ratio, the historic ratio, you'd need 3.25 million).

Ironically the population increase would have been much lower had the country stayed in the European Union and the Dublin Regulation and kept the 20,000 a year cap on work visas. The large number of people crossing the English Channel in small boats after 2020 is a result of the previous Conservative Government's decision to leave the Dublin Regulation.

The numbers of asylum applications vary year by year, however in the 1990's it varied from 22,000 to 71,000 with a mean of 37,400.

Whilst current levels are much higher (84,000), this is almost the same as in 2000 and 2002 and not much more that 2001.

A lot of the upset is down to the cost of housing them (about £50 per tax payer) and that because of the "interest" in the numbers that it's much more in the press than it was.

The vote in the 2025 local elections in England was unprecedented in that voters not only voted against the Labour Government but also the Conservative opposition. Clearly a large part of the reason for the success of the Reform Party in those elections was voters sending a message yet again that they want an end to people crossing the English Channel in small boats and a very big reduction in immigration because they can see that the housing shortage in particular will never be fixed without a very big reduction in immigration.

The Labour Government clearly does understand this and knows that to recover support from the voters they have lost to the Reform Party they have to stop people crossing the English Channel in small boats and greatly reduce net immigration. How successful the Labour Government will be in achieving this remains to be seen.

Some of the importance associated with asylum and immigration will be due to the fact more is being said about it.
I'm fairly liberal on immigration but even I have to admit that the last 2 years averaging 817,000 net migration per year is likely not sustainable.

Well, not without eye-watering sums of investment anyway.

There is also something to be said for handling rate of change. A few years back I was on the board of a charity with a private company subsid. We received a large increase in funding and decided to nearly double the size of the workforce. But after careful consideration we decided we would simply have to stagger it as the changes required to support services, and indeed the change in culture, would themselves present too great a challenge. This is not dissimilar to immigration policy in my view, where I have no issue with net migration being high, but if you do want to retain community relations and avoid significant culture clashes, as well as to actually build houses and train GPs and nurses and teachers and build schools etc, it has to be carefully controlled.

If net migration is 800k, that's maybe idk 400k homes which need building in addition to the homes which already need building the clear the 'backlog' so to speak. Talking a thousand homes per constituency per year, every year. For context, my council is building a site of 900 homes, largest in the county, and they're not due for a number of years.

See my comment above about the need for extra homes. However even on the lower rate of household size (2.36) it's closer to 340,00 homes and the per constituency number is 521.

Although as not all constituencies are equal, maybe a better figure would be on a small town with a population of 10,000 people (4,250 homes), that would need to house 120 people (51 homes), or an uplift of 1.2%.

1.2% is a fairly small growth rate. However as I've pointed out before you'd need to add to that 1.8% growth due to shrinking household sizes.
 

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I have to admit, I am utterly amazed that the "average person" doesn't know more about the world. It mystifies me, because I have only ever associated with people who have knowledge of world events. And I don't even sit down and watch the news on TV: I generally get my information from sources like the BBC website, the Guardian and Independent websites, and news bulletins on radio, as well as... erm... internet forums like this one.

We all exist in our own bubbles. I, too, am amazed that the average person doesn’t know more about the world, or even this country, or even their own town. The mere fact you are writing about it on a forum like this shows that you are rather more than the ‘average person’. It‘s fair to say that almost everyone on this forum is better informed than the ‘average person’, simply because they read about things on here.



When the results came in; he hailed it as a turning point for the UK.

Well, he was correct. Albeit not turning towards the direction that he convinced most of those who voted for it.
 
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We all exist in our own bubbles. I, too, am amazed that the average person diesnt know more about the workd, or even this country, or even their own town. The mere fact you are writing about it on a forum like this shows that you are rather more than the ‘average person’. It‘s fair to say that almost everyone on this forum is better informed than the ‘average person’, simply because they read about things on here.
For this reason I firmly believe that all news' articles about railway matters should include a link that is in fact a "Rick Roll" that leads them to the relevant thread on this forum related to that news story. Then maybe random geysers might actually learn something about what they spout hot air on.
 

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A Reform UK councillor elected to Durham County Council just nine days ago has resigned his seat after failing to declare he worked for the council, the party has said.
Andrew Kilburn was elected to the Benfieldside ward as Reform swept to victory in local elections in County Durham winning 65 seats and gaining overall control of the council.

His resignation will not affect the party’s majority.

A Reform spokesperson told ITV News: “We understand that Mr Kilburn did not declare his employment to the returning officer as expected and is now required to resign his seat.

Not the only such example. There's an RAF employee (unclear if military or civilian) who apparently didn't stop to think if his employment could disqualify him from seeking an elected office. I think it's fair to say that the results of Reform's "vetting" process make the Tory 2019 intake look like elder statesmen by comparison.

As for the council employee, I'm a bit surprised that they don't run the names past the HR department. I've never filled out an application for candidacy - do they ask these sorts of questions on there?
 

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Not the only such example. There's an RAF employee (unclear if military or civilian) who apparently didn't stop to think if his employment could disqualify him from seeking an elected office. I think it's fair to say that the results of Reform's "vetting" process make the Tory 2019 intake look like elder statesmen by comparison.

As for the council employee, I'm a bit surprised that they don't run the names past the HR department. I've never filled out an application for candidacy - do they ask these sorts of questions on there?
To be honest it's as much on the employee/candidate themselves to check they are eligible. I'm not actually sure that RAF employees are barred from holding office by statute, or merely by their employment contract. Certainly for the Army it's restricted under The Queen's Regulations For The Army, but this merely states that a) permission must be obtained; and b) they must stand as independents. Reform and the returning officer can make clear who is statute-banned from running, but members of the British Army are not. The Army is however different from the Royal Air Force and the Royal Navy in some ways of course, but I expect RAF/Navy regulations for elections are similar to the Army.

Reform should've asked the question for sure, but I suspect their naivity in being a new party is in some of these details like knowing British Army personnel can stand for election but not under a party banner. No doubt they won't make the same mistake again.

I think a lot of parties learnt the hard way with things like historical social media posts. The older parties will know to questions the British Army permission to stand because no doubt they'll have had people from the forces coming forwards multiple times before now to try and stand for them.
 

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It is a shame we cant bill Reform for these failed vetting by elections!
Why? They can still be councillors if they're kicked out of Reform, they'll just sit as independents. People have the party whip, are suspended, or kicked out of parties all the time. I'm pretty sure Corbyn is still expelled from Labour despite having possibly the most Labour-rooted policies and principles of any MP.

If they choose to resign their actual councillor role, that's a candidate problem more than anything.

You could argue for charging individual candidates if they resign within say X months of being elected perhaps?
 

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Why? They can still be councillors if they're kicked out of Reform, they'll just sit as independent
The guy referred to above ( in Durham) had a choice. Leave his council job or give up his newly won seat. Reform should have spotted this. The candidate should have spotted this. That they didn't is not an excuse.

I have seen at least 4 other people in a similar situation.
 

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The guy referred to above ( in Durham) had a choice. Leave his council job or give up his newly won seat. Reform should have spotted this. The candidate should have spotted this. That they didn't is not an excuse.

I have seen at least 4 other people in a similar situation.
It's not Reform's responsibility though. If he has a job which requires him to give up his actual councillor role, that's a problem for the council and the candidate, not the party, as the party is irrelevant.
 

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It's not Reform's responsibility though. If he has a job which requires him to give up his actual councillor role, that's a problem for the council and the candidate, not the party, as the party is irrelevant.
This guy stood as a Reform candidate. Surely they AND him have a responsibility to make sure he can actually fulfil the role if elected! The rules are clear especially for council employees.
 

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This guy stood as a Reform candidate. Surely they AND him have a responsibility to make sure he can actually fulfil the role if elected! The rules are clear especially for council employees.
So we fine the council (i.e. the taxpayer) and the party 50 50?

For what it's worth, we actually don't know whether the party or the council clarified whether he was eligible to be a councillor. He could have lied, misunderstood, or one party might have asked but not the other, etc.

Frankly I see this as a personal responsibility issue. The lad has an employment contract and an employee handbook which says what he can and can't do. The party and the council can ask the questions, but it's mainly his responsibility (and certainly in legislation it is his) to only run if eligible. If you work for a public body, including the armed forces, you would think common sense would tell you to check what the rules are, and perhaps even ask for advice from a superior.
 

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So we fine the council (i.e. the taxpayer) and the party 50 50?
the council haven't done anything wrong! Reform and thier members have cost us all tax payers money. They have wittered on about council waste and then spaffed money up the wall.
 

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If he's disqualified from being a councillor, rather than disqualified from being a party member, the council actually hold more responsibility than the party.
eh? this is bonkers.

The responsibility is on the member and the party to comply with the rules when offering up candidates for election. They did not. That is obvious.
 

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eh? this is bonkers.

The responsibility is on the member and the party to comply with the rules when offering up candidates for election. They did not. That is obvious.
If he stood as an independent, and was equally disqualified, you'd have no party to fine, and it would still have been the council's responsibility to inform the candidate of their eligibility criteria, and still the candidate's responsibility to ensure they are eligible.

It's not bonkers. It's actually the law.

The legal responsibility for being elected when ineligible falls on the candidate.

The body being elected to (in the case of local authorities, I am not sure of national parliaments as I haven't been involved in running one of those elections too recently) is legally responsible for communicating eligibility criteria, as described by the Electoral Commission.
 

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The legal responsibility for being elected when ineligible falls on the candidate.
We can fine him 100% then. I don't really care as long as the tax payer doesn't have to pay for these whoppers to whop. ( btw I would say the dame if it was Labour or the Tories. We shouldn't pay for thier lack of intelligence!)

BTW - it is helpful that you have set out your position clearly. Easier if you said that in post 1 ;)

PS - I also realise we cant pass on the costs to either the candidate, the party or the council. If we could that would be nice mind! Especially to Reform.

and it would still have been the council's responsibility to inform the candidate of their eligibility criteria
surely that is met by asking the candidate to confirm they have read the criteria and that they meet them all when they apply?
 

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We can fine him 100% then. I don't really care as long as the tax payer doesn't have to pay for these whoppers to whop. ( btw I would say the dame if it was Labour or the Tories. We shouldn't pay for thier lack of intelligence!)

BTW - it is helpful that you have set out your position clearly. Easier if you said that in post 1 ;)

PS - I also realise we cant pass on the costs to either the candidate, the party or the council. If we could that would be nice mind! Especially to Reform.


surely that is met by asking the candidate to confirm they have read the criteria and that they meet them all when they apply?
I'd be in favour of finding candidates directly.

BTW, I did mention this earlier on, but maybe it wasn't prominent:

but it's mainly his responsibility (and certainly in legislation it is his) to only run if eligible

And yes that is basically what councils do - they provide a candidate pack which sets out the legislative restrictions on being a councillor.

Actually in this case though, I'm not sure he is barred from being a councillor. If the RAF policy is the same as the Army's, then you can be a councillor, but you need permission. Which is possibly how this slipped through the net. Only certain high ranking members of the armed forces are statutorily barred from local authority elected office.
 

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Actually in this case though, I'm not sure he is barred from being a councillor. If the RAF policy is the same as the Army's, then you can be a councillor, but you need permission.
I think you have to stand as an independent - I certainly know of someone who served as a parish councillor whilst in the forces. ( which is not quite the same thing but still often comes with party badge these days)
 

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I think you have to stand as an independent - I certainly know of someone who served as a parish councillor whilst in the forces. ( which is not quite the same thing but still often comes with party badge these days)
My understanding from the British Army regs (quoted much higher up now) is you can't stand under any party banner, and if you want to stand as an independent you need permission.

I'm not sure whether the RAF/RN have the exact same policy though - their authority is derived differently from the British Army.
 

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The Navy requires a potential candidate to gain permission from the Ministry of Defence before standing, and they must stand as and remain an independent. A reservists who is a councillor must immediately advise their Commanding Officer if they are recalled.

I can‘t get at the RAF regulations as they are massively long and shut down every time I try to search for the word election. However, I would get guess that they are broadly in line with the Army and Navy’s ones. (Not the shop.)

Back in the late 1950s a few men got discharged from the forces by standing as (hopeless) candidates in (by-)elections as this was incompatible with their army status. Michael Heseltine did a legal variation of this to get out of finally (at 26) doing his national service: later there were often acerbic comments when he wore his Guards regimental tie.
 

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Back in the late 1950s a few men got discharged from the forces by standing as (hopeless) candidates in (by-)elections as this was incompatible with their army status.
Was Denis Healey still serving when he stood and lost in the 1945 general election?
 

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