Recycling of Names ?

[AnonymousUser1]

given that franchises have recycled names , GWR and now LNER ... has an convention been established on a differentiation between the 1923- 1948 companies and the current franchises ...
obviously when talking about current operations it should be clear ... but what about a discussion which references infrastructure or buildings that might date from 1923 grouping or before and still exist in some form today ?

 

[jamesthegill]

I'm all in favour of Southern (another of the big 4 names recycled) rebranding as South Coast Railways when the franchise comes to an end in 2021. Maybe with the "improved engine green" colour scheme too!

 

[DelW]

Arguably there's even a pre-grouping name again with London Northwestern Railway, although the current version omits a space and the capital W.

 

[mallard]

Arguably there's even a pre-grouping name again with London Northwestern Railway, although the current version omits a space and the capital W.

"Southeastern" is in a similar position, especially since their website is "southeasternrailway.co.uk" and Twitter account is "SE_Railway".

Honourable mention goes to the "Great Northern" brand of GTR.

 

[Taunton]

GWR (the pre-1947 original) was always God's Wonderful Railway to anyone west of Paddington, but when Go-Ahead and Keolis put together GTR no enthusiasts were around to tell them it would be known as God's Terrible Railway.

 

[DarloRich]

given that franchises have recycled names , GWR and now LNER ... has an convention been established on a differentiation between the 1923- 1948 companies and the current franchises ...
obviously when talking about current operations it should be clear ... but what about a discussion which references infrastructure or buildings that might date from 1923 grouping or before and still exist in some form today ?

surely the difference is that LNER newco wont build anything in the way LNER oldco did. Stations and infrastructure etc belong to NR and will be built by them.

 

[DelW]

GWR (the pre-1947 original) was always God's Wonderful Railway to anyone west of Paddington, but when Go-Ahead and Keolis put together GTR no enthusiasts were around to tell them it would be known as God's Terrible Railway.

Though wasn't it also the Great Way Round at one time (particularly before the Berks & Hants was built).

Let's hope we don't see a return of the London Smash'em and Over.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Arguably there's even a pre-grouping name again with London Northwestern Railway, although the current version omits a space and the capital W.

And would be better applied to the ICWC franchise than the local midlands one.
You can't take the analogy too far though, TP North was also an LNWR service west of Leeds pre-grouping, and so was the Heart of Wales line.
Those wanting LMS back as the West Coast TOC might remember that ICWC covers no Midland Railway metals at all, except perhaps some shared track through Birmingham and Carlisle.

 

[Lucan]

I'm all in favour of Southern (another of the big 4 names recycled) rebranding as South Coast Railways

Don't agree. "Southern" has a ring of grandeur to it, but "South Coast Railways" sound like a collection of 15" gauge amusement park railways at places like Bognor.

 

[Lucan]

Though wasn't it also the Great Way Round at one time.

Not as bad as the Oxford, Worcester and Wolverhampto Rly (the Old Worse and Worse).

 

[CeeJ]

Don't agree. "Southern" has a ring of grandeur to it, but "South Coast Railways" sound like a collection of 15" gauge amusement park railways at places like Bognor.

It has a ring of grandeur, but perhaps it needs a few years away from that branding due to its negative perceptions. This is assuming the next Southern franchise is won by someone other than Govia.

 

[whhistle]

Don't agree. "Southern" has a ring of grandeur to it, but "South Coast Railways" sound like a collection of 15" gauge amusement park railways at places like Bognor.

Horses for courses and all that.
Southern makes me think it's the south version of Northern... and we all know what reputation they have!

 

[steevp]

GWR (the pre-1947 original) was always God's Wonderful Railway to anyone west of Paddington,.

I always thought it was Go When Ready

 

[PeterY]

I always thought it was Go When Ready

But not on Sundays