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RTT+ data history now extends five years and will stay as this. We are looking at the possibility of extending further back towards 2012 (albeit with some patchy date ranges due to system issues), this would be subject to a further subscription fee.
Five years in itself is impressive, let alone anything longer than that! Very good work Tom
 
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I posted this elsewhere as I think it's relevant.

Enthusiasts are not the primary target audience and are, from experience, a fairly price-sensitive group anyway if it doesn't meet their own full needs. However, the pricing has been developed to balance the enthusiast and broader market that RTT serves. Ultimately if I'm not going to persuade you that £25 (£2.10 a month, cheaper than a coffee at a coffee shop!) to (primarily) remove adverts and get a better user experience is a price worth apying then I'm never going to - and that's fine with me - I have to balance the revenue from advertising with the revenue gained from subscriptions.

Other services charge more than this to just remove adverts, and a lot of media companies charge a lot more and don't even remove adverts at all.
I have seen that RTT+ offers downloads but I'm unsure of what that is or the format.

If I'm going out for a day photographing then I like to have a list of what is coming with me - even if it was created the day before -
Ok looking at a single train to see how it is running but scrolling thru a location list is not as easy.

Would it be possible to put an out of date list that somebody could download and they could see if it is of use?

Thanks

Peter
 

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I posted this elsewhere as I think it's relevant.

Enthusiasts are not the primary target audience and are, from experience, a fairly price-sensitive group anyway if it doesn't meet their own full needs. However, the pricing has been developed to balance the enthusiast and broader market that RTT serves. Ultimately if I'm not going to persuade you that £25 (£2.10 a month, cheaper than a coffee at a coffee shop!) to (primarily) remove adverts and get a better user experience is a price worth apying then I'm never going to - and that's fine with me - I have to balance the revenue from advertising with the revenue gained from subscriptions.

Other services charge more than this to just remove adverts, and a lot of media companies charge a lot more and don't even remove adverts at all.
I think it's a very fair price but how about some sort of bundle deal for those of that subscribe to Railmiles as well? Maybe £40 for the pair? :lol:;)
 

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I have seen that RTT+ offers downloads but I'm unsure of what that is or the format.

If I'm going out for a day photographing then I like to have a list of what is coming with me - even if it was created the day before -
Ok looking at a single train to see how it is running but scrolling thru a location list is not as easy.

Would it be possible to put an out of date list that somebody could download and they could see if it is of use?

Thanks

Peter
I'm going to be interested to see what the download capabilities are, but notice that it explicitly says "CSV format". That will require a little skill with spreadsheets to manipulate and use.

An enhancement I'd welcome, would be a "print to PDF" option for either searches or individual trains. While I've a good workaround on my laptop, the ability to do so from a phone or tablet would be welcome - but I realise it would also put load on the RTT servers.
 

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An enhancement I'd welcome, would be a "print to PDF" option for either searches or individual trains. While I've a good workaround on my laptop, the ability to do so from a phone or tablet would be welcome - but I realise it would also put load on the RTT servers.
What browser are you using? On Firefox I can print to PDF on mobile.
 

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I think it's a very fair price but how about some sort of bundle deal for those of that subscribe to Railmiles as well? Maybe £40 for the pair? :lol:;)
There will be bundles when RailMiles merges into the unified sign on, it won’t be that cheap but there will be a level of discount ;)

I'm going to be interested to see what the download capabilities are, but notice that it explicitly says "CSV format". That will require a little skill with spreadsheets to manipulate and use.
I have attached two examples.

An enhancement I'd welcome, would be a "print to PDF" option for either searches or individual trains. While I've a good workaround on my laptop, the ability to do so from a phone or tablet would be welcome - but I realise it would also put load on the RTT servers.
I think print should work ok anyway but the placeholders for the ad box should be gone in RTT+.
 

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RTT+ data history now extends five years and will stay as this. We are looking at the possibility of extending further back towards 2012 (albeit with some patchy date ranges due to system issues), this would be subject to a further subscription fee.
Excellent news. I will be signing up shortly- may as well start on the first day i'll use it :lol:

Q. Is the 5 years date a rolling date (i.e. today it would be 18-10-2020), or a fixed date somewhere in 2020?
 

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I have attached two examples.
Thank you - useful to see what might be available and gives me thoughts for how I might use that for myself
I think print should work ok anyway but the placeholders for the ad box should be gone in RTT+.
Fair enough - what I have works so not the end of the world not to be able to click a button in the site!
 

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I have attached two examples.
For my use this looks to have too much information - I'm just after what RTT shows - like this - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...25-10-18/1200-1300?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

I would have to do a bit of work to turn this line, and others
stp_indicatortransport_typeschedule_uidrun_datetrain_identitythis_tiplocthis_crsorigin_tiplocorigin_descriptiondestination_tiplocdestination_descriptiongbtt_arrgbtt_depwtt_arrwtt_depwtt_passactual_arractual_arr_delay_minsactual_depactual_dep_delay_minsactual_passactual_pass_delay_minsplatformplatform_actuallead_classnum_vehicles
WTTtrainL48023
18/10/2025​
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2025-10-18T12:02:45
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WTT1T29London WaterlooPortsmouth Harbour12:02:0012:03:0012:01:3012:03:00
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Could the allox be added to the station csv file?

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Also, and I know it’s probably quite a hefty thing to develop, but is there any chance we could see a feature where you can add and create your own custom services/timetables?
 
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I would have to do a bit of work to turn this line, and others
some people are never happy ;) if the full data wasn't available, others would complain that there wasn't enough data!

Anyway, this is a 1 liner to do what you want:

Code:
cut -d "," -f 1,5,9,11,12,13,14,15,16,23,25,26 location_BSNGSTK_1760796175.csv.txt | tail -n +3

(this doesn't extract only the time from the datetime fields).

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(so, this is a little nerdy, but shows that it is possible relatively easily. Depending on your level of computer literacy / how comfortable you are with Excel / code etc, I'm sure plenty of people here could help you come up with a solution that is less than "a bit of work")
 

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Also, and I know it’s probably quite a hefty thing to develop, but is there any chance we could see a feature where you can add and create your own custom services/timetables?
I can't imagine it'll be something Tom and the RTT team would be interested in developing, but someone could create something. It has happened in the bus enthusiast community however. Someone had created a spin off of bustimes.org called mybustimes.cc which is basically a sandbox for creating fictional timetables and fleet lists for things like bus simulators. Slightly off topic, I know
 

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I posted this elsewhere as I think it's relevant.

Enthusiasts are not the primary target audience and are, from experience, a fairly price-sensitive group anyway if it doesn't meet their own full needs. However, the pricing has been developed to balance the enthusiast and broader market that RTT serves. Ultimately if I'm not going to persuade you that £25 (£2.10 a month, cheaper than a coffee at a coffee shop!) to (primarily) remove adverts and get a better user experience is a price worth apying then I'm never going to - and that's fine with me - I have to balance the revenue from advertising with the revenue gained from subscriptions.

Other services charge more than this to just remove adverts, and a lot of media companies charge a lot more and don't even remove adverts at all.
Tbf this is from a professional perspective. I'm very ambivalent on the subject of ads!
 

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RTT+ data history now extends five years and will stay as this. We are looking at the possibility of extending further back towards 2012 (albeit with some patchy date ranges due to system issues), this would be subject to a further subscription fee.
Being able to go back five years is very impressive. Well done
 

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Q. Is the 5 years date a rolling date (i.e. today it would be 18-10-2020), or a fixed date somewhere in 2020?
It is rolling, and a year is defined as 365 days in the calendar (because leap years are awkward). That makes the window today from the 19th October 2020.

For my use this looks to have too much information - I'm just after what RTT shows - like this - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...25-10-18/1200-1300?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

I would have to do a bit of work to turn this line, and others
stp_indicatortransport_typeschedule_uidrun_datetrain_identitythis_tiplocthis_crsorigin_tiplocorigin_descriptiondestination_tiplocdestination_descriptiongbtt_arrgbtt_depwtt_arrwtt_depwtt_passactual_arractual_arr_delay_minsactual_depactual_dep_delay_minsactual_passactual_pass_delay_minsplatformplatform_actuallead_classnum_vehicles
WTTtrainL48023
18/10/2025​
1T29BSNGSTKBSKWATRLMNLondon WaterlooPHBRPortsmouth Harbour2025-10-18T12:02:002025-10-18T12:03:002025-10-18T12:01:302025-10-18T12:03:002025-10-18T12:01:00
0​
2025-10-18T12:02:45
0​
2​
TRUE​
450​
8​

In to this
BSNGSTK
stptrainorigindestinationgbtt_arrgbtt_depwtt_arrwtt_depwtt_passplatformlead_classnum_vehicles
WTT1T29London WaterlooPortsmouth Harbour12:02:0012:03:0012:01:3012:03:00
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't?

I'd have thought a PDF print would be better for your needs if this is the case.

Could the allox be added to the station csv file?
Yes but the data isn't currently available in that part of the database so it is something we are going to do in a future update.

Also, and I know it’s probably quite a hefty thing to develop, but is there any chance we could see a feature where you can add and create your own custom services/timetables?
I'm gonna be pretty blunt but ... no.

Tbf this is from a professional perspective. I'm very ambivalent on the subject of ads!
Some people are, some people aren't. Some people use ad block, some people don't. Ultimately if you're happy with ads and wish to support the ongoing running of the site that way then it's fine by me
 

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I think it's a very fair price but how about some sort of bundle deal for those of that subscribe to Railmiles as well? Maybe £40 for the pair? :lol:;)
That would be excellent, as in already subscribe to Railmiles but am tentative about what id gain by subscribing to RTT+, but the bundle (as long as a fairly attractive price) would make my mind up for me.
 

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For my use this looks to have too much information - I'm just after what RTT shows - like this - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...25-10-18/1200-1300?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

I would have to do a bit of work to turn this line, and others
stp_indicatortransport_typeschedule_uidrun_datetrain_identitythis_tiplocthis_crsorigin_tiplocorigin_descriptiondestination_tiplocdestination_descriptiongbtt_arrgbtt_depwtt_arrwtt_depwtt_passactual_arractual_arr_delay_minsactual_depactual_dep_delay_minsactual_passactual_pass_delay_minsplatformplatform_actuallead_classnum_vehicles
WTTtrainL48023
18/10/2025​
1T29BSNGSTKBSKWATRLMNLondon WaterlooPHBRPortsmouth Harbour2025-10-18T12:02:002025-10-18T12:03:002025-10-18T12:01:302025-10-18T12:03:002025-10-18T12:01:00
0​
2025-10-18T12:02:45
0​
2​
TRUE​
450​
8​

In to this
BSNGSTK
stptrainorigindestinationgbtt_arrgbtt_depwtt_arrwtt_depwtt_passplatformlead_classnum_vehicles
WTT1T29London WaterlooPortsmouth Harbour12:02:0012:03:0012:01:3012:03:00
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450​
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't?
Sorry - I did not mean it to come across like that.
I'd have thought a PDF print would be better for your needs if this is the case.
I remember in the past I could copy the web page and dump that in to excel - get rid of cancelled and Q trains and tidy it up.

I would have been happy to subscribe for that feature again
 

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RTT+ data history now extends five years and will stay as this. We are looking at the possibility of extending further back towards 2012 (albeit with some patchy date ranges due to system issues), this would be subject to a further subscription fee.
sign me up now! :lol:

As a side, are there still plans to branch out beyond the UK?
 

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I've bitten the bullet for a years subscription, as at 50p per week, it's a no brainer.
I've downloaded some data but unlikely to really need to use it, I managed for years copying and pasting the data from the screen but others may find the times part useful.
The allocations for the whole day sold it to me, this is incredibly useful as a lookahead, and worth the money.
Personally the pictures are not that useful, but when they are there, the unit etc. numbers are shown in a banner below the image, making everything slick. Where images are not available (freight, Southern for example) you doo need to click to show the train information. Can this not be shown as a banner too regardless of whether an image file can be called?
Otherwise, excellent!
 

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We have now formally confirmed that 5 years is the rolling limit that we will be supporting in the base RTT+ subscription. We will be rolling out a further bolt-on subscription to take that back to the origin of RTT (or more, it's predecessors, Rail Staging & Timetables). Real-time data will not be completely available across that entire period but for those instances we will infill with a timetable. The start date will likely be 1st January 2012 - so it should also contain the Olympics & Paralympics 2012 timetables which contained highlights like CrossCountry to Weymouth...

We've also started a GitHub organisation and will be opening up various things there, our first repository is our base reference data: https://github.com/realtimetrains/nr-reference-data
 

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Yes, we're in the process of selecting a Merchant of Record service to process customers outside GB. The legal risks with processing it ourselves and remitting VAT to incorrect authorities, etc, is just too high for us to take the risk ourselves.

I would expect that we can support that by the end of next month.
 

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