Re-Boarding An Empty Train And The Possible Consequences

[whhistle]

I'm interested to know why whistle thinks you wouldn't stop the train to let the passenger off as a passenger on a DOO-NP train going onto a non-passenger line is definitely an operating incident. If it was me on the platform and I noticed it going out I'd be straight on to the box to tell the driver via GSMR.

Because of the location.

By the time you have told the box, that would be at least 60 seconds (they would have to confirm they received all the correct info).
By that time, the train would have left the platform completely. Then it would be at least another minute before the box had got hold of the driver (assuming he/she answers promptly). The driver cannot simply change ends at that point as they would be staggering a junction bringing a number of lines to a stop.
It would be better/safer to take them to the depot and walk them back OR after the train had completed it's move to the depot, bring it back out again to drop them off.

If the passenger spoke directly to the driver, again I would expect them to tell the customer to sit tight and they will come and pick them up when the train is in a safe position (IE, in the depot not straggling the junction).

In my opinion of course...

 

[Hadders]

If a passenger ever ends up carried on ecs to LNWR at Crewe they have to get BTP out to give said passenger a lift back to the station

Is this really an appropriate use of BTP resources?

 

[starrymarkb]

A friend of mine ended up in Exeter New Yard after being caught in the wrong half of a 159 after boarding at Exeter Central (Rear 3 coaches to Plymouth - Front 3 detached at Exeter) - the unit was run back to the station and they caught the next HST west.

 

[sd0733]

Is this really an appropriate use of BTP resources?

Wouldn't say so myself but that's what the powers that be have decided is the way they want it done so that's what happens. Does seem a little OTT really and like you say a waste of police time.

 

[ExRes]

Is this really an appropriate use of BTP resources?

Surely it depends on what other means are available, if the passenger walked back by the same route as they arrived it would probably mean BTP scraping them up off the track anyway

 

[sd0733]

That's why that one came in as where lnwr is, with tracks on 3 sides if left to there own devices the person could well try and cross a few running lines to get to the station. So its thought safer to get BTP to give them a lift back by road.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Because of the location.

By the time you have told the box, that would be at least 60 seconds (they would have to confirm they received all the correct info).
By that time, the train would have left the platform completely. Then it would be at least another minute before the box had got hold of the driver (assuming he/she answers promptly). The driver cannot simply change ends at that point as they would be staggering a junction bringing a number of lines to a stop.
It would be better/safer to take them to the depot and walk them back OR after the train had completed it's move to the depot, bring it back out again to drop them off.

If the passenger spoke directly to the driver, again I would expect them to tell the customer to sit tight and they will come and pick them up when the train is in a safe position (IE, in the depot not straggling the junction).

In my opinion of course...

It's probably worth mentioning here that the empty stock had actually headed north from the station and was parked on the line that leads to Chaddesden sidings. I'm guessing that it would have done this in order to gain access to the freight lines to take it into Etches Park. On that basis, if I'd managed to contact the driver in time I'm assuming that the Meridian would have been able to run back into the station.

 

[LowLevel]

Because of the location.

By the time you have told the box, that would be at least 60 seconds (they would have to confirm they received all the correct info).
By that time, the train would have left the platform completely. Then it would be at least another minute before the box had got hold of the driver (assuming he/she answers promptly). The driver cannot simply change ends at that point as they would be staggering a junction bringing a number of lines to a stop.
It would be better/safer to take them to the depot and walk them back OR after the train had completed it's move to the depot, bring it back out again to drop them off.

If the passenger spoke directly to the driver, again I would expect them to tell the customer to sit tight and they will come and pick them up when the train is in a safe position (IE, in the depot not straggling the junction).

In my opinion of course...

I would be straight on to the box to tell the driver regardless as the driver needs to know there is a person on board. Much depends on where you are in relation to the depot and as most shunts off Derby go via Chad to get to the fuel roads there's a chance to come back rather than go staggering around a large depot.

 

[johnnychips]

I got on a bus marked 'Portrush' in Northern Ireland recently, and I was delighted as I happened to be going to Portrush and was only expecting the bus to go to Ballymena. It was a double-decker, and I was sat top-left, possibly out of site of the periscope.

Anyway, it was early morning, the bus was full of kids, it arrived at Ballymena and went on to a school, where everyone alighted but me. Instead of proceeding to Portrush as I expected, it went back to Ballymena bus station yard. The driver was really angry with me, but insisted on driving me the thirty yards from the yard to the bus station bay. I tried to explain that I would expect a bus with Portrush on the front would go there, but he wasn't having it.

I think he was angry because he might have got in trouble for not checking.

 

[hassaanhc]

I've almost stayed on on an out of service that bus before, and it would have been deliberate .
I was on the 387 in London which runs Little Heath - Barking Reach (Rivergate Centre, part of an estate deep in industrial wastelands). However until October the route had two early morning buses extended about 1.5 miles further to better serve the bleak industrial wastelands on River Road that were the furthest from public transport (that road ending back earlier on the route and in an area of more activity). I was sitting upstairs front left, out of the view of the driver. Rather than end up waiting in the middle of nowhere I wanted to stay on from where it terminated and went back to the Rivergate Centre to wait. Well, just after finishing the driver stopped to change the destination and switch off the lights, and I thought I'd been caught so I went and got off (I hadn't actually been caught) . I'd imagine the driver would have been quite angry to find me on the bus all that time . Anyway, I didn't have to wait long, and managed to get the opportunity for a little souvenir :P

 

[BuhSnarf]

I once fell asleep on a midland mainline 170 that terminated at Notts. Woke up about a mile from the station a little alarmed to be going away from Nottingham. Walked up to drivers cab and knocked on door. Driver was a little shocked to say the least. Little talk on the radio and the guy took the train all the way back to Nottingham!

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