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Raw sewage still being dumped from trains on ECML

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jon0844

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I thought you might be interested that I reported the continued problem of trains dumping sewage on the track (and platforms) to my local paper - who ran the story. It's now being picked up by other news agencies, so may go wider in due course.

I know this has been a big problem for the railway industry as a whole for years, but I suspected the media would get more interested when it began to affect ordinary passengers!

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/wh...latestWHT&itemid=WEED11 Mar 2009 12:29:48:610
 
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That is a mistake, it's platforms 1 and 2, not 3. No NXEC train would fly through platform 3 (well, it might pass through but not at the speed needed to spill out the tank contents!).

Mind you, to be honest, standing anywhere on platform 2 or 3 would pretty much be the same - and I've emailed the newsdesk to see if they can modify it.
 

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It is quite a WEEird thing to happen if you're not expecting it. I suppose they get rather FLUSHED when the trANUS DUMP effluent on them. We should get Gordon BROWN to so something about it. Having said that, I can't resist a small CACKle about it though!
 

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It is quite a WEEird thing to happen if you're not expecting it. I suppose they get rather FLUSHED when the trANUS DUMP effluent on them. We should get Gordon BROWN to so something about it. Having said that, I can't resist a small CACKle about it though!

That's painfully bad! :|

I think they should paint lines along the platform, and the further across the platform it goes, the more points you get. Bonus points for getting people standing on the platform :p
 

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That's revolting. They should be punished for allowing this to happen. I mean, there's a reason we don't shout "garde a l'eau!" any more!
 

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Why is it such a problem now then hasn't this been going on for quite some time and I never seen anyone have a problem with it before.
I only say this because it seems the media and journalists alike are very inconsistent with these stories they moaned about it 5 years ago and why not do it now will probably make a bit of money.
Sorry but HST's have their flaws but the ECML wouldn't be where it is now without them whether the spray the brown stuff out or if it's just the reporters doing that.
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And sorry to add more but just looked at the photo on the new artical and well.........

1.not very funny.
2.thought this was a serious issue.
 

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That is a mistake, it's platforms 1 and 2, not 3. No NXEC train would fly through platform 3 (well, it might pass through but not at the speed needed to spill out the tank contents!).

Mind you, to be honest, standing anywhere on platform 2 or 3 would pretty much be the same - and I've emailed the newsdesk to see if they can modify it.

I don't think it is a mistake, as the train rounds the corner the effluent will be thrown away from the centre of rotation, i.e. outwards from the corner being taken. So when looking at the image (1-4 left to right IIRC), a train passing P2 on the up fast would throw anything outwards onto the down fast rather than the platform. However a train passing P3 would throw effluent directly onto the platform it is passing.

So the problem comes when the train passes with a platform on the "outside" of the turn, hence 1 and 3. That's how I read it anyway. Why wouldn't a train fly through P3, it is on the down fast?

Why is it such a problem now then hasn't this been going on for quite some time and I never seen anyone have a problem with it before.
I only say this because it seems the media and journalists alike are very inconsistent with these stories they moaned about it 5 years ago and why not do it now will probably make a bit of money.
Sorry but HST's have their flaws but the ECML wouldn't be where it is now without them whether the spray the brown stuff out or if it's just the reporters doing that.

Read more carefully, it is Mk 4 sets under discussion in the article, not Mk 3s, which don't have retention tanks. In this case "dumping" (sorry) straight onto the track isn't the problem, it is retention tanks overflowing.
 

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Correct, it isn't the HSTs. The chances of someone (or many people) flushing at the same point every time - almost - is pretty slim!

And, what triggered me to email the paper was getting sprayed when I got off a train on platform 3 but walked along nearer 2 - where a Mallard came through. It was still spraying out, and despite the fact that it was so close to the platform I still got covered.. but at least I already knew what it was.

You can get the same with the train coming from the north and going London bound, as there's a curve there too - and that too would cover both platforms 2/3 and 1 (for all intents and purposes, let's consider 2 & 3 to be one platform as it's a single island).

I had read about the problems a long time ago, and seen the problem myself a long time ago. I've read about industry knowledge of the problem when it was GNER, and it was never taken that seriously by the media because of the fact it only 'affected' rail staff.

However, getting covered the other day pushed me to do something more than rant on a forum. I knew that the 'passenger' factor would likely interest the media more (let's be honest, it is more appealing to a newspaper to talk about a commuter being hit by anything, from s**t to fare increases) and fortunately they were very interested. Indeed, in the paper itself it's mentioned on the front page (with a 'next train on platform poo' headline!).

I got a call this afternoon at work from someone who traced me from my name and job, so I am sure it's going to be mentioned elsewhere in due course.

The good thing is that NXEC acknowledged the problem; now the question is what they're going to do about it. Will they start to empty the tanks regularly or not? The fact is, people will now be fully aware of what is happening - so if it continues, it won't go unnoticed.
 

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I thought you might be interested that I reported the continued problem of trains dumping sewage on the track (and platforms) to my local paper - who ran the story. It's now being picked up by other news agencies, so may go wider in due course.

I know this has been a big problem for the railway industry as a whole for years, but I suspected the media would get more interested when it began to affect ordinary passengers!

http://www.whtimes.co.uk/content/wh...latestWHT&itemid=WEED11 Mar 2009 12:29:48:610

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Strange... I thought it was the government that was always dumping on the railways...
 

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On a continuation with the toilet humour!..........

A pirate walked into a bar and the bartender said, "Hey, I haven't seen you in a while. What happened? You look terrible."

"What do you mean?" said the pirate, "I feel fine."

"What about the wooden leg? You didn't have that before."

"Well, we were in a battle and I got hit with a cannon ball, but I'm fine now."

"Well, ok, but what about that hook? "What happened to your hand?"

"We were in another battle. I boarded a ship and got into a sword fight. My hand was cut off. I got fitted with a hook. I'm fine, really."

"What about that eye patch?"

"Oh, one day we were at sea and a flock of birds flew over. I looked up and one of them pooed in my eye."

"You're kidding," said the bartender, "you couldn't lose an eye just from some bird poo!!!"

"It was my first day with the hook."
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