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nw1

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I hate the term "jobsworth". It now seems to be used as a term of abuse to any public servant who happens to be doing their job properly.

I'm not so sure. I am not saying that the ticket inspectors that she met were "jobsworths", particularly as she seemed to be setting out to deliberately let fare dodgers get away with it (not exactly good behaviour), but more generally, the word more means people who take every single rule and regulation literally and ignore common-sense.

An example on the railways of "jobsworth" behaviour would be to prosecute someone who (genuinely, not trying it on) lost their ticket - rather than the common-sense approach of simply selling them a new ticket, or at worst, charging a Penalty Fare. In reality, this never seems to happen (I've never observed an inspector mis-treating a passenger on the railway) so I suspect "jobsworth" behaviour on the railway is mercifully rare.

Being a Spectator article of course, she's accused of "socialism" by the sort of brainless right-wing swivel-eyed loons who think that all socalists are criminals and all criminals must be socialist: but in the piece she actually comes across as a Tory as it starts with a rant on how lazy railway staff are, or something like that.
 
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I think most people use the "jobsworth" title on anyone who doesn't let them do what they think should be entitled to do. The rights and wrongs of it don't really come into it
 

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I think most people use the "jobsworth" title on anyone who doesn't let them do what they think should be entitled to do. The rights and wrongs of it don't really come into it

I always take being called a jobsworth as a compliment! :lol:
Either way, they are not getting what they want so it makes no difference to me what they call me, but they do get upset when I call them something back! ;)
 

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I hate people who do the whole, don't have a ticket then pull out the ticket after i have cautioned.

I did someone for that a few years back. After cautioning, during the interview I asked him after demanding to see his ticket, if he was unable to produce a ticket on the demand I had just issued, he said yes. I then asked if he had any money for the fare, and he said no, followed by the intention to evade his fare, he said no, and produced his ticket, a Cheap day Rtn. I then explained that i needed to ask one more question for my notebook, "did you, at the time i asked have a valid ticket on your person but refused to show it to me when i demanded? he answered yes!

Banged to rights! got him on a bylaw 18 (2) offence. which if i remember was successfull.

"A person shall hand over his ticket for inspection and verification of validity
when asked to do so by an authorised person."
 

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Also, do you have any links for your figures on fare evasion? It'd make interesting reading.

The literature on fare evasion is surprisingly sparse. Some references as starting points (there are others, often not available unless from an academic institution with relevant subscriptions).

Clarke, R.V., Contre, S., Petrossian, G., 2010. Deterrence and fare evasion: Results of a natural experiment. Security Journal 23, 5-17.

Kooreman, P., 1993. Fare Evasion as a Result of Expected Utility Maximisation: Some Empirical Support. Journal of transport economics and policy, 69-74.

Pricewaterhouse Coopers, 2007. TransLink Fare Evasion Audit . Canada: Pricewaterhouse Coopers LLP .
 

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Banged to rights! got him on a bylaw 18 (2) offence. which if i remember was successful "

I laughed, was he just being awkward for the sake of it or..?
 

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He was being awkward. And I could have checked the carriage before the next stop, so who knows who would have had a chance of avoiding their fare. What made it worse is that he was sniggering through the interview.
 

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I guess the free public transport she proposes would be universally better and would obviously ease the overcrowding problems :roll:
Seems a bit arrogant to me , as if somehow she is above being caught out and is going to fight it in court and win .
Such an over-reaction.

Still, if you are struggling to fill your column with something really interesting, knocking out a quick rant and using a whole bunch of stereotypes at an 'easy target' group where you'll get some quick sympathy from the readership is the clear way to go!

I hope she''ll be quicker to defend other 'easy target' groups from similar stereotypical comments!

On 'twitter' Ms Bindel describes herself thus:
'Journalist, feminist activist, ... Lezzer' (Her description not mine!)

Yup no doubt she will soon have a rant about traffic wardens written up when she falls foul of them after parking her car illegally because TFL have banned her from their services .
 
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I'm not so sure. I am not saying that the ticket inspectors that she met were "jobsworths", particularly as she seemed to be setting out to deliberately let fare dodgers get away with it (not exactly good behaviour), but more generally, the word more means people who take every single rule and regulation literally and ignore common-sense.

An example on the railways of "jobsworth" behaviour would be to prosecute someone who (genuinely, not trying it on) lost their ticket - rather than the common-sense approach of simply selling them a new ticket, or at worst, charging a Penalty Fare. In reality, this never seems to happen (I've never observed an inspector mis-treating a passenger on the railway) so I suspect "jobsworth" behaviour on the railway is mercifully rare.
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The only problem is ticket inspectors must hear the lost ticket excuse from people hundreds of times a day . so to assess who is being genuine and who is just trying it on can be a challenge at times .

Sometimes you have to put loosing your ticket down as a costly mistake , I remember when I was much younger I genuinely lost my return ticket for a journey I was making on the metrolink , I explained to the ticket inspectors who boarded what had happened but they didnt believe me so I didn't bother arguing the point with them I just accepted it was a costly mistake paid the penalty fare and never again lost a ticket .

The number of times as a guard I hear the lost wallet excuse you would think every train station would have a massive vault filled with lost wallets . Then when you have the audacity to be a jobsworth and ring the booking office they have said they left it at to assist them in locating their missing wallet but it isn't there the wallet then magically turns up with some pennies in it to buy a new ticket to replace the one they have "lost"

My Favorite line is "do I look like a fare dodger mate" when in all honestly what does a fare dodger look like ,is it the man in the suit who has just finished his hard days work in a big 4 accounting firm and always gets on the front carriage because he knows the guard will never make it through to him .

or is it the 18 year old unemployed lad in a tracksuit that doesnt have money for a ticket and goes and hides in the toilet or refuses to buy one

I always offer people who have lost their ticket the opportunity to buy another one or take an UPFN, pointing out to them that if it turns up at a later date they can claim a refund for it or send it off to the prosecutions department in settlement of the debt incurred by the UPFN .

If they dont want to take that opportunity to buy the ticket then they should be treated just like any other fare evader and prosecuted
 
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