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Railways Perks & Pension

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Hi,

Can someone tell me what the standard perks and pensions are like when working for a TOC please?

Is it a final salary pension?

TIA
 
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Right, it varies from TOC to TOC but for Southern...

From day one..

- You get free travel on Southern, SouthEastern, LondonMidland and Gatwick Express.
- You also get entered into the pension scheme (which I believe is final salary)
- Your travel facilities are also valid for your partner or spouse and also any children under 16 (and some over depending on their earnings or education status)
- You get to become part of the great railway family (not to be underestimated)
From after 1 month...
- You get a PRIV card entitling you to 75% of the FULL public fare on any train company. (also for your partner/spouse, children etc)

After 1 year...
- You get an international railcard that does something that someone else can explain much better then me!

You also get the standard sort of things companies like to offer, like free educational courses and after so many months you can apply for internal jobs etc...

someone please come and edit this so it makes sense!!
 

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Arriva is pretty much the same as above, unlimited free travel on ATW & XC, 75% off PRIV card. They do a cycle to work scheme amongst other things.
After a year you can have a FIP card which gives you discounted international rail travel (mainly mainland europe) and in some countries a few free journeys.

I believe at FirstGroup you get free boxes for use at the other First TOC's
 

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I am informed that at First Group you get unlimited travel on your own TOC and 10 boxes (each worth 2 days) for free travel on other First Group TOCs, kind of understandable with the number of TOCs they have.
 

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Merseyrail

  • Free Merseyrail & Northern Rail Travel
  • 75% reduction on other full priced rail fares
  • 50% or 75% reduction on most European rail fares, including Eurostar
  • Free Travel on Stena Line services to Ireland and the Netherlands
  • The above travel perks apply to any housekeeper, spouse, partner, children, foster children etc etc...
  • Final Salary Pension
  • Childcare voucher scheme
  • 5-10% discount on foreign holidays/air travel
  • 5-10% reduction on shopping vouchers
  • 31 Days Annual Leave
  • Wheels to Work Scheme (basically a tax free loan to buy a bike at a discounted rate)

There's also things like (basic) Union Learning Courses to help with maths & English skills. With Merseyrail they got rid of the "6 month rule" to apply for internal jobs, apparently due to discrimination laws...so now anyone can apply for any job almost immediately.
 
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I am informed that at First Group you get unlimited travel on your own TOC and 10 boxes (each worth 2 days) for free travel on other First Group TOCs, kind of understandable with the number of TOCs they have.

Yep. plus "friends and family" tickets, where you can buy a number of £5 day-rover tickets (2 adults and 2 kids per voucher) for non-pass holders on First TOC's (must be accompanied by pass holder, also buy discounted First bus tickets (but have to send off for them, and I have never quite figured them out)
 

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Compared to Network Rail: 70% discounted season ticket from home to work, paid for by a subsidised loan. There's a cycle to work scheme too.


...and that's about it.


My sister works on P&O and gets 75% off all rail travel. I work on the railways and get **** all, as I don't need the season ticket.
 

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Yes, the perks are very good. Can I ask if the free travel commences as soon as training does or is it post-qualifying?
 

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With LOROL it's free travel on LOROL services once you get your employee ID card (usually first day of training). After a month as with the others, you get the 75% off leisure rail travel and 75% off season tickets (you have to get a form signed each time you get one though, but going from £156 to £54 a month is very handy!).

Also, as we run a service for TfL, we get a staff Oyster card for self and nominee. (Yes, free Oyster travel, not a PRIV Oyster). All the other stuff like final salary pension and employee benefits package etc are included too.
 

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And as for Railway staff employed pre 1993.
Nearly a case of go anywhere anytime for free if you have enough boxes.
Priv rate for the remainder.
And sometimes a priv is valid on some preserved lines.
 
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And as for Railway staff employed pre 1993.
Nearly a case of go anywhere anytime for free if you have enough boxes.
Priv rate for the remainder.
And sometimes a priv is valid on some preserved lines.


Old BR staff love rubbing that one in our faces! :(
 

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I treat every Railway man/woman the same, don't charge em lol

Even if travelling to a gated staion?

On the few occasions when I use my staff travel card, grippers seldom pay close enough attention to check if the box is correctly dated. A quick glance is the norm.
 
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At SWT you get the usual Railway Pention Scheme plus;

Free travel on SWT, Island Line Trains (Isle of Wight), EMT and 75% off on Wightlink I believe. Also the usual 75% discount on other TOCs and international travel conssesions.
 

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Compared to Network Rail: 70% discounted season ticket from home to work, paid for by a subsidised loan. There's a cycle to work scheme too.


...and that's about it.

75% now up to a max of £2250, the cycle to work thing has gone too.
 

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London Midland is the same as Southeastern/Southern. Which makes sense as it's owned by the same company.

I treat every Railway man/woman the same, don't charge em lol

I'm the same, the only thing I would like them to do is show some sort of pass, otherwise other passengers tend to get the hump, as they think your letting them travel without a ticket.

I started in March of 1996 & was in the last group to get the full BR Priv.
 

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75% now up to a max of £2250, the cycle to work thing has gone too.


Oh, bloody hell. That was potentially the only thing I would've used.

I don't even get a travel pass for travelling to and from trains. It all goes on a credit card. Just about every guard when we are travelling pass ends up walking away shaking their head when we explain that we need to buy tickets.
 

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Final salary pension is worth a great deal. But if you are at the stage of just starting your career, be aware that these schemes are no longer sustainable (because people live longer than they did so the pension has to pay out for longer than when the schemes were designed, and becuase of what Gordon Brown did finacially to such schemes) and will almost certainly close to new entrants fairly soon.
 

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Don't forget if you work for First you get free travel all weekend on East Coast by just flashing your pass. Can also upgrade to 1st class for £15 (most guards won't charge as long as you show some courtesy & speak to them first & not presume you can sit in there).

Can someone explain a couple of things to me please.

1) How many of the £5 vouchers are First staff allowed & how much service would you of had to have done to get these?

2) What is a 'final salary pension'? Not to clued up on pensions although I'm paying £130 pm into 2 (Brass & railway one)

Thanks.
 
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Don't forget if you work for First you get free travel all weekend on East Coast by just flashing your pass. Can also upgrade to 1st class for £15 (most guards won't charge as long as you show some courtesy & speak to them first & not presume you can sit in there).


How come is this please?? How is First connected to government run East Coast?
 

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Couldn't tell you mate but the agreement I understand has been running for quite a while. Quite a few staff who work for FCC & EC use each others services when working at Kings X & I believe the agreement started for this reason.

Great perk. Free trips to Scotland, Newcastle etc.

Thumbs up from me!
 

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Are you as generous with your own money as that of your employer?

If we're on commission, then every time we show "discretion" and don't charge somebody a full open single, we are being as generous with our own money.

If I excess somebody £22, as opposed to charging them £149.50 (which I did twice yesterday with two advance tickets on the wrong train), I earned £2.10 commission instead of £15.

Don't go down that road, you don't know where it's going to lead.
 

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Final salary pension; You pay in '£x' per month, your employer (usually) pays in a bit more. If you work for 40 years (in the same pension scheme - they are not transferable to another employer) when you retire at (normally) 65 your pension will be 40/60ths, or 2/3, of the salary you were on when you retired.

If you don't have 40 years service in the same scheme when you retire, or if you retire early, your pension is reduced accordingly (in the latter case quite severly, as you will pay in less and be drawing out for longer by taking the pension early).

The beauty of these schemes is that they provide 'defined benefits' - that is, you know how much pension you'll receive. But that is also their downfall - becuase people are living longer and therefore drawing more money out, the sums no longer add up and the schemes do not gather enough money to pay the pension. This has been made wprse by Gordon Brown hitting such schemes with tax and accounting liabilities that were not known about when they were set up.

Pretty much all private sector final salary schemes have therefore closed to new members or closed altogether. Only the public sector and unusual sectors like rail still have them in abundance - but that is unsustainable and will change, just as it has in the private sector.
 

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Compared to Network Rail: 70% discounted season ticket from home to work, paid for by a subsidised loan. There's a cycle to work scheme too.


...and that's about it.


My sister works on P&O and gets 75% off all rail travel. I work on the railways and get **** all, as I don't need the season ticket.

Great isnt it -and the bike loan has gone now! BUT We get as mucg free tea and coffee as we can drink! YEAH!
 

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ANorthernGuard said:
Dont charge 'em

Are you as generous with your own money as that of your employer?

Considering employers are living on TAXPAYERS MONEY yes, nothing wrong with being generous with our own money. <D

Besides the system of those before 97 having free travel those after not, is in my view both discriminatory and illegal.
 
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