"Railway superhub"

[pro4600]

Apologies if this has already been covered, Tonight's evening standard has a Boris vision for a railway superhub at old oak common. A couple of things I noticed about the drawing of this vision. 1) North Pole depot has been built on. I was under the impression this was going to be used by IEP. 2) no provision for the proposed crossrail extension to wcml.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...ng-6bn-boost-to-northwest-london-8964438.html

Crossrail and HS2 superhub will bring £6bn boost to north-west London



Old Oak Common is set to become London’s rail “superhub” within a decade, serving 250,000 passengers or the equivalent of Waterloo station. Deputy mayor for planning Sir Edward Lister is masterminding the plan to use these enhanced rail links as a spur to regeneration such as that achieved around King’s Cross station.

 

[Stats]

Apologies if this has already been covered, Tonight's evening standard has a Boris vision for a railway superhub at old oak common. A couple of things I noticed about the drawing of this vision. 1) North Pole depot has been built on. I was under the impression this was going to be used by IEP.

It is. Boris' vision will be a long term project, with redevelopment of the North Pole depot being in the final phase after 2032.

 

[swt_passenger]

All that's really new in this report is the possibility of it being declared the responsibility of a regeneration agency.

The basic concept of a site alongside the OOC railway developments has been knocking about for a couple of years at least, the same artists impression was doing the rounds 6 months ago.

 

[mister-sparky]

Crossrail up the WCML isn't an official proposal. It's just an idea. That's why it's not on anything.

 

[swt_passenger]

Crossrail up the WCML is in the London and SE RUS. That makes it part of NR's official 'strategy' at the very least.

 

[WatcherZero]

I wont consider Old Oak a railway superhub until it has direct services to Cardiff and Bristol helping all us Northerners avoid unnecesary trips into London.

 

[Nym]

Not until direct services to my local station and all three of my workplaces run from OOC will it be a 'superhub'.

(This is a possibility)

 

[NotATrainspott]

I wont consider Old Oak a railway superhub until it has direct services to Cardiff and Bristol helping all us Northerners avoid unnecesary trips into London.

Isn't that the point of the station to have these services?

 

[JGR]

I wont consider Old Oak a railway superhub until it has direct services to Cardiff and Bristol helping all us Northerners avoid unnecesary trips into London.

By any practical definition, Old Oak Common is in London, so I'm not sure how this really helps avoiding unnecessary trips there.

 

[Eagle]

By any practical definition, Old Oak Common is in London, so I'm not sure how this really helps avoiding unnecessary trips there.

It won't be London in terms of ticket validity :P

 

[pro4600]

It won't be London in terms of ticket validity :P

Zone 2 or 3 most likely

 

[WatcherZero]

Old Oak Common as it stands wont have a western link, the Heathrow spur has gone back to being an aspiration rather than a plan.

And yes Old Oak with a western spur potentially avoids the mad dash between London terminals on the Underground meaning we dont have to go into London itself to change train. Reason nationally half of rail journeys start or end in London is simple, for many journeys you cant avoid it there is no through route.

 

[alwaystouchout]

Sounds familiar to the Park Royal City proposal: an interchange station serving HS2, Crossrail, Central/West London/North London lines with connections to Bakerloo/WCML services at Willesden Junction, all at the heart of a OOC regeneration zone akin to Canary Wharf or Stratford.

Is OOK currently covered by any sort of development corporation?

 

[pro4600]

There is an opportunity here for the government to get it right 1st time. With the appropriate links and connections to other lines and destinations at the least provisioned for.
However it's more Likely they will stick with plan A and try and shoe horn in the enhancements later.

 

[Aictos]

In a nutshell, basically a London version of Birmingham New Street but without the awful 1960s layout

 

[swt_passenger]

Sounds familiar to the Park Royal City proposal: an interchange station serving HS2, Crossrail, Central/West London/North London lines with connections to Bakerloo/WCML services at Willesden Junction, all at the heart of a OOC regeneration zone akin to Canary Wharf or Stratford.

Is OOK currently covered by any sort of development corporation?

I think there's a significant overlap between the two terms, i.e. Park Royal City includes OOC.

Park Royal City International is LBHF's terminology for the whole area, including Park Royal, OOC, and Kensal and some others. I found this 'planning vision' thing from August 2011 online, it seems to me that they are all talking about the same basic proposal, as I pointed out in post #3

At the centre of this new city, at Old Oak ‘Central’, we
have suggested business and office areas around the
stations as well as supporting retail, cultural and other
facilities - to the north of the canal there could well be a
high community value in terms of new green squares and
canalside parklands, alongside a substantial number of
new homes - overall we believe that roundly 10,000 new
homes could be built, and 40,000 new jobs generated at
Old Oak Central alone.
Our conclusion is that a transport super hub of national
and indeed European scale and importance could
readily be realised here, centred at Old Oak Common,
and around it there could be developed - with positive
planning - a major new metropolitan urban
development that could rightly be called Park Royal City
International.

http://www.lbhf.gov.uk/Images/110907_OOC-report-low_tcm21-167835.pdf

 

[alwaystouchout]

I think there's a significant overlap between the two terms, i.e. Park Royal City includes OOC.

Park Royal City International is LBHF's terminology for the whole area, including Park Royal, OOC, and Kensal and some others. I found this 'planning vision' thing from August 2011 online, it seems to me that they are all talking about the same basic proposal, as I pointed out in post #3

That's the one I mean. I noticed it had plans for a light rail link around the area too - if that ever went ahead it ought to be incorporated into broader plans for a light rail network in West London.

 

[HowardGWR]

All this is very old hat and much better discussion and information is available at London Reconnections see
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2013/old-oak-part-3/

for the third article about it. By the way the opening poster described here it as a 'Boris vision'. No comment.