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Kristofferson

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I'm not sure if TOCs will prefer your application over others, but it's beneficial in terms of "practice makes perfect".

Although in that case, aren't practice materials freely available?
 

driver9000

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How does this company propose you acquire your handling hours or traction training? They may well be able to take you through a rules course but this won't make you a Train Driver. Any TOC taking on someone from this route will still need to give them a significant amount of training to become a Driver. I'd be wary of these companies willing to take large sums of money from you when there is no guarantee of a job at the end.
 

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In short, you'd only be getting the experience of doing the tests and it will be of very little benefit when TOCs/FOCs start the shortlisting process. Even with this 'qualification', most (if not all) companies will tell you to go through the whole process again.

IIRC there have been a few posts about this company and the general consensus is to stay clear. I've never heard of anyone paying to do the driver training either, or a company that actually teaches the training course - if a freight or passenger company requires new trainees then they pay for and conduct the course themselves.
 

TheVicLine

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It is initially just the psychometric tests and they are charging £900!

However there is a further option to 'undertake your train driver training with us which you'll have to fund yourself' once the tests are complete. I would be interested to see what this actually entails and the costs involved. Cant see that this would be recognised by the TOCs though and I think that ASLEF might have something to say about it too.

As previously stated I this thread how would they get round your handling hours and traction training, at a very minimum they would have to issue a European licence and I cant see how they would do this either.
 

E&W Lucas

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I've come across Drivers who are working for this outfit, in addition to their main job. They are 100% legit, have some capable people on board and are mostly engaged in ad hoc work. Getting handling hours, wouldn't be a problem.

BUT, various things to ask/ consider, before funding your own training:
  • What, exactly, do you come out of the training with? Does it include a Certificate of Competency to Drive Trains?
  • Your location - there is no point in having the qualification, if you live somewhere with no demand for train drivers!
  • The difficulty of transfering company during or just after training. There's another active thread about that.
  • Rules are becoming increasingly company specific. You will need extensive extra training, by your new operator.
  • If you've never actually driven a train on your own, will you actually be treated as a qualified driver?

If you're a suitable candidate, and live in the "right" areas, it's not that hard a job to secure. If you're neither, think long and hard before paying.

If you find out more, would be interested to hear.
 

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The site tells you that they will assist you in prequalification, basically they will asses whether you are fit, suitable and a good candidate for the role, they will get you a psychometric assessment and carry out a structured interview for £1340 in total. This includes a medical. Then you can as quoted from the website:-

You will still need to undergo a train drivers job interview. You can either wait for a train drivers job to arise with a TOC or undertake the interview with us (you will still need a managers interview with a TOC). You are now legible to undertake full driver training with which you can do with us.

Now handling takes 265 hours with an instructor over the core routes of the depot you are to work at, also up to 4 weeks traction training relevant to the TOC you are going to apply for and a weeks pass out on the core routes, rules and traction.

The cost of all this? Your guess is as good as mine and remember you are not being paid whilst you are training with this outfit.

The choice is yours. I cannot comment on my feelings towards it all as I do not want any comebacks to myself.

Now what you need to do is find a qualified driver who is in employment with a TOC who used these people and find out how much it cost and how it worked for them. I don't know of any but there must be some about. Maybe a few people they have trained and who are now in permanent train driving jobs should come forward to say how it worked out
 
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JCLeeds

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I think Beveridges paid to do the assesment through these and ultimately got a driver job? Not 100% on this though
 

Fred Dinenage

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Being nosey i e-mailed them asking for information and details of any endorsements from successful " trainees" if you like, the reply is below...




The price has been reduced since you last looked at the website it is now £845. The national pass rate for passing this assessment is very low at about 45% , our pass rate is no better or worse than that. What we have done to try and better prepare people is to run our half day session prior to the assessment day to help candidates understand why and how they are being assessed. The majority of the testing regime cannot be pre taught as it measures innate reactions and personality type. You either fit the mould the industry has set for a train driver or you don’t.

Out of the 14 candidates we have processed, at the moment we have had one candidate who is now driving full time and we are actively working with 6 other recently passed candidates to get them an interview with a train operating company. There are not that many slots available at the OPC that we use for the assessments hence the small numbers since our first session a year ago.

Here is the general information I give to all candidates to help make up your mind,

Anyone wishing to become a train driver in the UK must,

1. Pass a specific medical examination.
2. Pass the specifically designed driver psychometric assessment process.
3. Then undergo on the job training which will be a mixture of classroom work and practical hands on training.

There are two ways of achieving this,
Firstly: looking for advertisements from the many train / freight operating companies when they are on particular recruitment drives.
Or
Secondly: get ahead of the queue, stand out from the crowd, by paying for steps 1 & 2 via our company, we will then use our contacts to try and get you an interview with one of the companies, who will then complete your training. Although we are currently providing driver training courses we have not at the moment in time offered this up to private individuals.

So if you are interested please read the following carefully :

What happens next,

Stage 1 : MEDICAL –

Testing for colour blindness, general health, eyesight, hearing, heart ECG, drug & alcohol abuse.

In order to book your medical for Driver Prequalification, you will need to supply the following details,

· Full Name
· Full postal address
· NI Number
· Date of Birth
· Preferred MEDICAL test centre : nearest big cities that you can easily get to.


Stage 2: ASSESSMENT at Industry Certified Centre in WATFORD

1 ½ days of Psychometric testing & specifically designed tests to make sure the Rail Industry has candidates with the right aptitude for driving.

1. ½ day (TBA) introductory workshop to introduce delegates to the assessment process & provide practice materials.
2. Full day (TBA ) assessment looking at the following,

Tests described below. We use the OPC at Watford and you would be expected to fund your own way there. More info can be read about the tests at http://theopc.co.uk. These tests are the Mandatory elements only.

Group Bourdon
Effective and sustained concentration is a key characteristic required of a safe train driver. As automation of the driving role has increased the ability to concentrate for long periods of time with low activity has become increasingly important. A lack of concentration or a loss of focus is often identified as the underlying cause of train driver incidents including Signals Passed at Danger (SPaD’s), Station Overruns or Failed to Calls.
Tea-Occ
Everyday Attention for Occupational Assessment – carry out a simulation whilst being distracted.
TRP 1
The TRP has been specifically designed for the train driver role and has been developed in two parts. Part 1 of the test assesses the candidate’s ability to retain and recall job related information and part 2 assesses their aptitude for learning new concepts similar to those encountered in driver training.
TRP 2
Vigilance
Analysis of the train driver role indicates that quick, effective and safe reactions are a key requirement of being a safe driver. In addition, depending on the traction type, train drivers may also need to be skilled and co-ordinated in using both hand and foot controls. During training some trainees will have to work very hard at learning to coordinate their hand and foot movements to ensure they keep safe and smooth control of their train.
Perception
Reaction Time
Hand Co-ordination
Conscientiousness
Interview based.
Be relied upon to do a job well, even in the face of difficulties

To do a task where it was important not to make a mistake

Follow strict rules or procedures

Dealing with Challenging Situations

Take control of a pressurised or emergency situation

Really persevere to learn or achieve something

Tolerance for Low Stimulation

Task you have undertaken that you think is similar to a task within the train driver role

Verbal Communication
This exercise provides assessors with evidence of a candidate’s ability to communicate work-related information clearly and accurately in spoken form.

The rVce has been designed specifically for front-line rail safety-critical personnel, including train drivers. This test assesses an applicant’s ability to communicate verbally safety-critical information. The candidate listens to an audio tape about a rail incident, and makes notes. The candidate then gives a verbal summary of the incident to an Incident Officer (assessor) together with what needs to be undertaken immediately.




Payment.

The total cost is £845. Once I have all the information requested above, I will need £200, shortly before taking the medical, then £645 payment via bank to bank transfer, a week prior to your assessment. Bank details will be given later.

If you are successful , we will endeavour to use our industry contacts to get you a foot in the door to complete your training with a train operator. There is a national shortage of train drivers. We have been assured by our industry partners that a pre-qualified driver will be ahead of the queue for recruitment having taken the initiative and paid for their own assessment. We are currently working with 4 pre-qualified candidates to get them placed with a train operations company.

Please do email or phone if you have more questions. The web site is also a good source of information. Http://railopsgroup.co.uk & Http://theopc.co.uk ALL GENERAL COMMUNICATION WILL BE BY EMAIL SO BE SURE TO ADD MY EMAIL ADDRESS TO YOUR SAFE SENDER LIST.

Please let me know via return email, if you are still interested.
 

Todo Recto

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Interesting. So what do you drivers think of this ?

Is it worth speculating the £845 by having a go ?

Do you think TOC's will accept the tests & Medicaid done this way ?
 

greatkingrat

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The medical seems a complete waste of time. Surely any TOC would have to carry out their own medical before any job offer was made anyway. Showing a bit of paper that shows you were fit several months ago won't make any difference.
 

driver9000

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First they say they're working with 6 then later they say 4. Which is it?

£845 is an awful lot of money for absolutely no guarantee of even an interview let alone a job. Despite all their claims of contacts and getting ahead of the game etc etc there is still a niggling doubt in my mind about the claims of this company and the amount of money they're charging is ridiculous when a TOC won't charge you a penny for them.
 

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I STILL don't get it! If it is hoped this will 'put your application ahead' then you'll have a shock in the interview. "I've done the assessments" won't cut it then, every one has at that stage!

Currently working with 4 pre-qualifieds to get them work? Sounds rediculous, don't mess around with 'working with pre-qualifieds' just apply and get on a bloomin' course! :)

This sounds an awful lot like paying money to save the effort of applying etc, just my opinion.
 
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E&W Lucas

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Employers have to be able to demonstrate that every application for a post, has been given equal scrutiny and treatment.

I didn't spend a penny, to earn my driving career. There was even free travel to the assesment centre!
 
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TheVicLine

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Total waste of money.

The only reason I can see why anyone would do this is because they are not confident of getting through the selection/interview process. I really can't see any advantages of it at all.

Agree with E&W Lucas I didn't pay a penny to become a driver and don't know anyone at my company who did. Why pay for the tests yourself when the TOC's expect to pay and have budgeted to pay for you as part of the recruitment process.

Send me your £845 and I will talk you through it :D
 
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