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There also seems to be a new (temporary or permanent?) flow from Scunthorpe to Tees Dock - presumably exporting metal.

It's a flow of rail on IGA wagons. 6X12 ran on 12th and 18th September and again this morning (66137 + 24 IGAs). I'm not sure where the rail is destined for, or if it's a different contract to the usual (sporadic) flow through Goole.

Another irregular flow from Scunthorpe is slab to Immingham Nordic. 6G72 ran half a dozen times in the first ten days of this month. Like 6X12, 6G72 runs at an inconvenient time for photography, but the return 6G84 is seen on 5th September, with 66050 hauling empty IGA and BBA wagons: https://www.flickr.com/photos/191706415@N08/54766352317/ (Photo: Nick Skelton)

There have also been some more slab trains from Scunthorpe to Margam to supply Port Talbot steelworks. 6V66 ran yesterday and should also run Wed + Fri.
6V66 seen here on 23rd June looking rather smart behind 66175 with a set of BAA wagons: https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcus_45111/54668907537/ (Photo: Marcus)

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On the subject of Scunthorpe steel, I just remembered I wrote this post out in May but never actually posted it:

Two of the sporadic export steel flows departed Scunthorpe within a couple of hours of each other on Friday 23rd May, with an 04:16 6G72 to Immingham, and a 6X83 05:51 to Goole.

The Goole train is seen here conveying the usual cargo of rails on IGAs behind 66099: https://www.flickr.com/photos/darrenjb/54542748561/ (Photo: Darren JB)

The Immingham train ran with 66186 hauling 24 loaded BAA / BBA / BDA / BEA / BFA wagons destined for the Nordic terminal (where export steel from Tinsley is handled, along with imports of steel coil to Wolverhampton). I think the product coming from Scunthorpe on 6G72 is usually slab. Photo of a similar working in 2021: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johngreyturner/51311505188/

Trains have also ran from Scunthorpe to Immingham in the past few years conveying rail on IGAs (with an X headcode) which is unloaded on the east side of the docks at Ridleys siding. The large expanse of tarmac between the two warehouses is an ideal place to handle this kind of cargo without it getting in the way. The X headcodes for trains of rail on IGA wagons are due to restrictions on the track curvature they can negotiate.
66047 seen at Ridleys siding with a railtour in 2015: https://www.flickr.com/photos/148194160@N04/27031258948/ (Photo: Jordan Kearney)
66193 seen with empty IGAs on the line that connects Ridley's siding to Immingham East Junction in 2015: https://www.flickr.com/photos/148194160@N04/40778398311/ (Photo: Jordan Kearney)
This location can be found on Google Maps at DN40 2QW, between "Nippon Gases UK" and "Weighbridge 3"

There is also an ongoing contract for movements of export rail from Scunthorpe to Muizen (Belgium) through the channel tunnel, running once a month or so. In the opposite direction, there are occasional movements of imported rail to Eastleigh manufactured by Voestalpine.

Another interesting export flow that ran a couple of times in March, and several times in April, was from Scunthorpe to Middlesbrough Goods. Up to 30 BBA/BDA/BEA/BFA wagons were sent from Scunthorpe to Tees on 6N31 (which normally conveys slab for Lackenby and bloom for Skinningrove) and sent forward to Middlesbrough Goods as 6N12. The working is seen here on 18th March with 66041:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thornabydemon/54395650033/ (Photo: Alex Ayre)
It's conveying billet which the caption says is destined for Türkiye. Billet is sometimes conveyed from Tinsley (along with bloom and slab) on the trains to Immingham and Hull, but apart from that and some internal movements at Cardiff Celsa, the last billet flow on rail that I'm aware of was a few years ago when Aldwarke sent a few trainloads to Scunthorpe (billet was more commonly moved in the reverse direction from Scunthorpe to Aldwarke back in EWS days).
 
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There is also an ongoing contract for movements of export rail from Scunthorpe to Muizen (Belgium) through the channel tunnel, running once a month or so. In the opposite direction, there are occasional movements of imported rail to Eastleigh manufactured by Voestalpine.
Is the exported rail in some way different to the imported rail? It seems like everyone could save a lot of bother if Scunthorpe supplied Eastleigh and Voestalpine supplied Muizen.
 

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70s have recently began being used for the 6L90/4M20 flows (Dowlow - Norwich). A rarity for these parts but great to see instead of the usual 66s!
 

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I’ve spotted there are new paths in to ‘Grimsby Moody Lane’ for Freightliner: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H00808/2025-09-24/detailed. Don’t seem to have run yet - also not clear if this is separate to the GBRf service that has been running to ‘Grimsby Pyewipe Road’

Moody Lane is the road adjacent to the customer site where the GBRF trains unload.

GBRF have been bringing in aggregate from Rylstone, but the initial Freightliner trial was from Dowlow. I think the 6E20 WTT schedule is intended for aggregate from Dowlow, despite starting from Earles (there's a return 4M21 WTT path to Dowlow).

As usual with WTT schedules it's hard to say if or when they are likely to run... depends which supplier the customer is buying the stone from I suppose (Dowlow is Breedon, Rylstone is Tarmac).

Is the exported rail in some way different to the imported rail? It seems like everyone could save a lot of bother if Scunthorpe supplied Eastleigh and Voestalpine supplied Muizen.

From reading some old threads about production of rails for the UK - like this post - I get the impression that the imports through the tunnel are more specialist types of rail in low volumes, with the vast majority of rails produced at Scunthorpe as geordieblue says. Scunthorpe sends out trains of continuous welded rail to Doncaster and Eastleigh to feed into the infrastructure trip network. The rail sent to Eastleigh used to be mainly 108 metre lengths on IGAs (for welding into 216 metre lengths at Eastleigh) running as 6X01, but now it seems more common for the Scunthorpe - Eastleigh trains to run as 6O01 with standard rail discharge trains, where the rails are already welded to full length.

Eastleigh also receives occasional trains of imported rail from Marchwood for the welding depot. This photo of 6X22 Marchwood - Eastleigh taken in May shows 5 perch wagons loaded with rail.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/92715194@N04/54522457516/ (Photo: Ewan Green)

The perch wagons are about 22 metres long, so those must be ~108 metre rails. I don't think these trains have run for the last couple of months so I'm not sure if it was just a short term thing, or what the reason for importing the rail was.
 

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The trains that currently go through the Channel Tunnel to and from Scunthorpe generally carry long welded rail I think. The carriers often seem to come back from the continent empty.

Back in 2016 (the thread linked in the previous post) there used to be more regular trains from Scunthorpe to France but these carried slabs/blocks of steel rather than rail. These stopped running a few years ago.
 

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Noticed that Freightliner are seemingly switching the Felixstowe - Lawley Street service to be a Felixstowe - Daventry - Lawley Street service instead. I wonder why this is?





Is it too much to hope Class 90s are used between Ipswich and Daventry?
 

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4m87 being timed for electric from Ipswich certainly suggests so.
The switch at Daventry makes sense if theyre also offloading some containers there.

Noted that the eastbound return is pathetic for diesel throughout.
 

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4m87 being timed for electric from Ipswich certainly suggests so.
The switch at Daventry makes sense if theyre also offloading some containers there.

Noted that the eastbound return is pathetic for diesel throughout.
Maybe it's just timed as diesel for now... Otherwise won't they end up with lots of locos out of balance/in the wrong place - or will they take the electrics back dead in train?
 

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Maybe it's just timed as diesel for now... Otherwise won't they end up with lots of locos out of balance/in the wrong place - or will they take the electrics back dead in train?
The electrics could work different trains back, potentially by taking something from Daventry somewhere else first.
Or work light.
 

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going to be interesting seeing how well they keep to the electric timing on 4M87, or is there enough slack in the path?
Path is as per m87 was previously, that's run with diesel mist the time when it's run recently. 90s confined to m63, S88, m53.
 

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Diagramed diesel both directions.
Thanks!

Any reason why? 4M87/4L96 seem like an obvious 90 ‘out-and-back’ diagram?

4m87 being timed for electric from Ipswich certainly suggests so.
The switch at Daventry makes sense if theyre also offloading some containers there.

Noted that the eastbound return is pathetic for diesel throughout.
I thought the same. Daventry maybe to load/unload containers. Not sure whether that’s Daventry - Felixstowe or Daventry - Lawley Street?

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Path is as per m87 was previously, that's run with diesel mist the time when it's run recently. 90s confined to m63, S88, m53.
4M87 was previously a Trafford and then Ditton service. Most of the time, at least in the year before it stopped running previously, it was hauled by electrics. It was replaced by 4M88 which was also electrically-hauled.
 

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4M87 was previously a Trafford and then Ditton service. Most of the time, at least in the year before it stopped running previously, it was hauled by electrics. It was replaced by 4M88 which was also electrically-hauled.
I meant the Ipswich - Daventry leg. Yes, aware it used to go elsewhere!
 

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The switch at Daventry makes sense if theyre also offloading some containers there.

I thought the same. Daventry maybe to load/unload containers. Not sure whether that’s Daventry - Felixstowe or Daventry - Lawley Street?

As suggested above, 4M87 today detached the rear 17 wagons at Daventry, and then continued to Lawley Street with 14 wagons as 4M93 (hauled by 66523).

4L57 is doing the same in reverse, with 66545 hauling 14 wagons loaded for Felixstowe. At Daventry it will presumably pick up the wagons that were detached off 4M87 and go forward as 4L96.

(So effectively it's a combined Felixstowe to Daventry plus Felixstowe to Lawley Street service, and return)

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I noticed there was a 6H67 Llandudno Junction - Earles train of slate waste running today (70017 + 20 MWAs, via Crewe - Stoke - Sheet Stores - Toton - Chesterfield).
The empties had arrived as 4D02 22:02 from Earles (via Hazel Grove High Level Jn, Northwich and Chester)

I'm not sure how often these have been running - the first train was on 27th July (as reported in post #2058) seen here with 70002:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/194028385@N07/54680663175/ (Photo: Ben Johnson)

There's also a photo from 9th August of another 6H67 with 70008. This photo gives an idea what the slate waste looks like (not much different to any other aggregate):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/big-stew/54711511818/ (Photo: Stewart Donohoe)

Apparently 70008 failed that day and had to be rescued by 37901, as seen here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/49068127@N06/54711098246/ (Photo: Gavin B)

The MWA wagon set on today's 6H67 has been used on Drax to Earles flyash trains during September. I'm not sure when these started, but 6M18 Drax - Earles ran at least 6 times in September (on 4th, 9th, 11th, 17th, 23rd and 25th Sep). With the booked timings being 4E07 21:20 Earles - Drax empties and 6M18 03:30 return, they aren't very conducive to photography...

For reference, there's a bit more info on both these Earles flows at the end of post #2071 in this thread.
 
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I noticed there was a 6H67 Llandudno Junction - Earles train of slate waste running today (70017 + 20 MWAs, via Crewe - Stoke - Sheet Stores - Toton - Chesterfield).
The empties had arrived as 4D02 22:02 from Earles (via Hazel Grove High Level Jn, Northwich and Chester)

I'm not sure how often these have been running - the first train was on 27th July (as reported in post #2058) seen here with 70002:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/194028385@N07/54680663175/ (Photo: Ben Johnson)
I have been keeping an eye on this flow and I can only recollect three, including this one, to date.

Even so, the reduction of loaded southbound North Wales HGVs on the A6 is noticeable.
 

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There has been rationalisation of the Tees to Mossend / Grangemouth intermodal due to poor loadings on
the WFO 04xx Tees to Grangemouth
 

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There has been rationalisation of the Tees to Mossend / Grangemouth intermodal due to poor loadings on
the WFO 04xx Tees to Grangemouth

Correct - the Grangemouth train now runs five days a week (previously only ran twice weekly)
and is a longer train, conveying a portion for Mossend as well as traffic for Grangemouth,




Can anyone confirm that services out of Bow East DB Cargo have finished?

I believe so - one of my subscribers reported that all the spoil loading equipment
has recently been removed from the Bow terminal.



MARK
 

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It’s gone a bit quiet on the Portbury steel traffic, last working was a DB cargo train on 2nd September (previous day had a DB and GBRF working). There’s been gaps of a few weeks in the past between ships arriving but nothing this long. I’m wondering if Port Talbot had stopped or reduced using Chinese slab due to US tariff threats, and perhaps that’s where the larger ships serving Portbury came from - smaller ships are able to fit in Newport docks.
 

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It’s gone a bit quiet on the Portbury steel traffic, last working was a DB cargo train on 2nd September (previous day had a DB and GBRF working). There’s been gaps of a few weeks in the past between ships arriving but nothing this long. I’m wondering if Port Talbot had stopped or reduced using Chinese slab due to US tariff threats, and perhaps that’s where the larger ships serving Portbury came from - smaller ships are able to fit in Newport docks.
A lot of the previous Portbury steel had been from India rather than China but also was wondering why the gap between workings had been so big...
 

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It’s gone a bit quiet on the Portbury steel traffic, last working was a DB cargo train on 2nd September (previous day had a DB and GBRF working). There’s been gaps of a few weeks in the past between ships arriving but nothing this long. I’m wondering if Port Talbot had stopped or reduced using Chinese slab due to US tariff threats, and perhaps that’s where the larger ships serving Portbury came from - smaller ships are able to fit in Newport docks.
As a regular user of Bristol Temple Meads at the time that train used to often end up departing on the Up Through, my ears are relieved! Although it'd be interesting to know how Port Talbot is getting it's steel.
 

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