Question on Routing between Routing points

[b0b]

I believe the consensus is as follows:

when figuring out which trains you may take between a routeing points on a traced route when using the maps; as long as the train does not pass through another routeing point.

However; looking at map CM (and CS and others)

Take the example of Walsall Group to Stafford Group, it shows a route avoiding Wolverhampton,

however the only way to make that trip is Walsall to Rugeley Trent Valley, then onwards to Stafford Group;

however Rugeley Trent Valley is a Routeing point;

so the question is, is that not allowed? or is that ok because RTV is not shown on the map?



also, the same maps show Walsall to Wolverhampton, but it doesn't seem possible to make that trip?


edit 1:

map LC shows Walsall to Stafford, but also shows Rugeley; so does that imply you cannot travel through Rugeley on map LC - and hence its not possible at all to travel between Walsall and Stafford via RTV if RTV is not shown on other maps

 

[MikeWh]

The Wolverhampton avoiding line seems to have been added as an afterthought. It is very crudely done on map CS. Looking at Google maps it appears that there is a line which bypasses Wolverhampton to the North West side. I would imagine that this is what is being represented on maps CM and CS.

 

[b0b]

Going by the projectmapping maps, there is no passenger rail service along that line, sadly I'm not an expert on the rail service in the Birmingham region so I don't know.

edit: looking at the google maps there is a line from Bescot Stadium and Walsall to Penkridge and onwards to Stafford, but there is no passenger service shown on projectmapping.co.uk maps

 

[hairyhandedfool]

I believe the consensus is as follows:

when figuring out which trains you may take between a routeing points on a traced route when using the maps; as long as the train does not pass through another routeing point....

If it is not identifyable which route it is, I would say any route (that it could reasonably be) would be fine. Some routes do have stations noted to show which route it is, but they are in the minority.

However, if a station on the route you wish to use is a routeing point (or part of a routeing point group) which is not shown on the routeing guide map, I think it is clear that the route you intend to use is not the route shown.

I hope that is clear enough.

 

[OwlMan]

Some maps show diversionary routes, one example being the Wolverhampton avoiding line (which is used for timetable trains during engineering diversions), another being Lichfield TV - Burton On Trent (similarly used for timetabled trains during weekend diversions). Also some stations have routeing points that only apply during diversions - Burton On Trent has Lichfield & Nottingham. I don't think that a route on a map means that a regular service operates.

Peter

 

[hairyhandedfool]

It doesn't mean a service operates, that is true, although I'd like to see 'regular' defined somewhere.

One meaning of 'regular' is 'occuring at fixed intervals', like the Stockport-Stalybridge service for example

 

[OwlMan]

Going by the projectmapping maps, there is no passenger rail service along that line, sadly I'm not an expert on the rail service in the Birmingham region so I don't know.

edit: looking at the google maps there is a line from Bescot Stadium and Walsall to Penkridge and onwards to Stafford, but there is no passenger service shown on projectmapping.co.uk maps

There is one sevice per day (SSUX) (at about 1930) from Walsall to Wolverhampton there is no service in the other direction.
The direct route from Bescot - Penkridge is used for Trent Valley diversions.

 

[clagmonster]

Take the example of Walsall Group to Stafford Group, it shows a route avoiding Wolverhampton,

Walsall Group consists of Walsall and Bescot. There is a route from Bescot to Penkridge avoiding Wolves, which passenger wise is used mainly for diversionary purposes, although some trains use it for route knowledge purposes. According to PSUL, the Sunday night Glasgow sleeper is regularly booked that way.

also, the same maps show Walsall to Wolverhampton, but it doesn't seem possible to make that trip?

There is a limited Walsall-Wolves service. There are also some services which travel from New St-Wolves via Bescot, which use this route (remember, on the maps Walsall refers to Walsall Group, which also includes Bescot).
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another being Lichfield TV - Burton On Trent (similarly used for timetabled trains during weekend diversions). Also some stations have routeing points that only apply during diversions - Burton On Trent has Lichfield & Nottingham. I don't think that a route on a map means that a regular service operates.

Peter

Again, there are a couple of serivces that do Birmingham-Burton via Lichfield even when the main line via Tamworth is open. At present, these are:
1925 / 1933 SSuX Newcastle - Birmingham New Street
1747 SO Southampton Central - York
http://www.avoe05.dsl.pipex.com/2011.htm