• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Purchasing an EMU for conversion to living space

Status
Not open for further replies.

JR36512

New Member
Joined
24 Oct 2023
Messages
2
Location
Essex
I would like to purchase a Class 321 EMU from Eastern Rail Services, which I have contacted them about, but I would look at buying the unit around 2035-2040. The main thing I need to know is how much it would cost to buy it and/or what price they would set. This would be my dream to own my favourite EMU as I am going to convert it so I can live in it I will install a kitchen, Living Room, gaming room etc.

If the 321 unit is not up for purchasing I will gladly invest in another EMU!
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

JonathanH

Veteran Member
Joined
29 May 2011
Messages
23,300
Land and planning permission are going to be a major issue in your plan, as is storage of the unit before you buy it.

A static class 321 stored outside in Great Yarmouth is also going to corrode over the next 12 years in the wet and salty air.

It is great to have a dream of living in a class 321, but there are a number of practicalities that need to be overcome.
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
113,225
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
If the OP just wants to live in a train (rather than specifically a 321) used Mk1 and Mk2 coaches come up from time to time from preserved lines and are about the size of a large static caravan. There are quite a lot of them out there as holiday accommodation.
 

Islineclear3_1

Established Member
Joined
24 Apr 2014
Messages
6,589
Location
PTSO or platform depending on the weather
I honestly don't think Class 321s will be languishing around in a yard in 2035-2040...

There's also transport costs (per coach) and the logistics of getting it on the land where you want it to go. Then that's if you need planning permission or not
 

skyhigh

Established Member
Joined
14 Sep 2014
Messages
6,856
The main thing I need to know is how much it would cost to buy it and/or what price they would set.
For comparison, a working 156 is currently up for auction for £50k starting bid with 18% fees attached on final auction price. If/when ERS decide to sell their unit it will probably be for around scrap value, though obviously you would have to offer higher than a scrapyard would. I would hazard a very rough guess at maybe £50k for the 4 vehicles, but then you might be looking at transport costs of maybe £10k per vehicle. Essentially I doubt you'd get much change from £100k.

Then of course you need to factor in the cost of land, building suitable infrastructure to hold the coaches, planning permission and then converting a vehicle that was never designed as a living space into a home. Costs would obviously be lower if you only had one or two vehicles but then you consequently have less space to work with. Sorting out corrosion on a unit that's been stored in the open for 12-17 years will also be a big cost - and an ongoing one as that rust won't just go away for ever.

Don't forget that for a project like this you are highly unlikely to be offered a mortgage so you will need deep pockets and plenty of savings.

But this forgets the obvious issue that 2040 is a long way into the future. Even if you can stump up the funding ERS will want to dispose of the asset at a time that suits them. In short, a nice idea but the only way this will ever happen is if you build up a massive amount of capital and are able to access it all immediately when a suitable unit comes on the market.
 

meld3

Member
Joined
28 Aug 2019
Messages
206
Location
West Midlands
If you find how to accurately value something in 17 years time, let us know - it will help us decide what to invest in.....
 

Bald Rick

Veteran Member
Joined
28 Sep 2010
Messages
35,747
Would you have retention tanks for the toilets, or keep the, ahem, traditional method ? o_O
 

Rescars

Established Member
Joined
25 May 2021
Messages
2,539
Location
Surrey
It's interesting how a number of wooden carriages, converted into bungalows many years ago, have found their way back after restoration into passenger carrying service on preserved lines. I wonder if a similar future could await a retired EMU?!
 

306024

Established Member
Joined
23 Jan 2013
Messages
3,974
Location
East Anglia
Presumably just raising the pantograph will connect you to the national grid, although up to 400Kv might come as a bit of a shock to the unit.
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
113,225
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
If you wait until you can get an outgoing 377 you can have something with air conditioning

I don't think I'd want anything to live in that didn't have opening windows. A domestic aircon unit can always be fitted if desired, and would be powered off more conventional 230VAC.

As I mentioned Mk1 and early Mk2 coaches come up for sale on preserved lines reasonably often, and are quite well suited to this kind of conversion. Even the slamdoors are more suitable than sliding as they can be secured with conventional domestic locks.
 

renegademaster

Established Member
Joined
22 Jun 2023
Messages
2,214
Location
Croydon
I don't think I'd want anything to live in that didn't have opening windows. A domestic aircon unit can always be fitted if desired, and would be powered off more conventional 230VAC.

As I mentioned Mk1 and early Mk2 coaches come up for sale on preserved lines reasonably often, and are quite well suited to this kind of conversion. Even the slamdoors are more suitable than sliding as they can be secured with conventional domestic locks.
All the trouble of converting an Electrostar into a static caravan is part of the fun! (presuming you won the euromillions first). Ordinary doors are boring, you should be able to open your front door with a button. Locks , who needs them ,you'll never leave anyway.

and would be powered off more conventional 230VAC.
Isn't all the "Hotel Power" stuff run off a 230AC system anyway?
 

Rescars

Established Member
Joined
25 May 2021
Messages
2,539
Location
Surrey
This is probably straying a bit off-thread, but if you could find a Mark 1 RBR in good condition, it would naturally deliver that highly desirable feature described by estate agents as a dining kitchen! :D
 

birchesgreen

Established Member
Joined
18 Aug 2015
Messages
7,658
Location
Solihull
I would like to purchase a Class 321 EMU from Eastern Rail Services, which I have contacted them about, but I would look at buying the unit around 2035-2040. The main thing I need to know is how much it would cost to buy it and/or what price they would set. This would be my dream to own my favourite EMU as I am going to convert it so I can live in it I will install a kitchen, Living Room, gaming room etc.

If the 321 unit is not up for purchasing I will gladly invest in another EMU!
Its hard to say for sure as its quite some time in the future other than you should start saving up now.
 

DarloRich

Veteran Member
Joined
12 Oct 2010
Messages
32,909
Location
Fenny Stratford
while this seems a nice dream, would it not be easier to save for an actual house? From a practical point of view I expect living in a converted train will soon get "tiresome". How warm is it going to be in January?
 

Parham Wood

Member
Joined
13 Jun 2011
Messages
406
Mk1s rust like crazy. The water gets in via the windows and rots the lower part of the body. If you look carefully you will see where the lower 30cms are often replaced and a weld line is just visible. You would also need a lot of insulation to avoid spending a fortune on heating. Not sure how this relates to what you are interested in but insulation will be required. Land and planning consent may be a challenge. Good luck!
 

renegademaster

Established Member
Joined
22 Jun 2023
Messages
2,214
Location
Croydon
Mk1s rust like crazy. The water gets in via the windows and rots the lower part of the body. If you look carefully you will see where the lower 30cms are often replaced and a weld line is just visible. You would also need a lot of insulation to avoid spending a fortune on heating. Not sure how this relates to what you are interested in but insulation will be required. Land and planning consent may be a challenge. Good luck!
Theirs a lot of slam door mark 2s sitting in various sidings gathering dust , what are they like for rust ?
 

357

Established Member
Joined
12 Nov 2018
Messages
2,283
I would like to purchase a Class 321 EMU from Eastern Rail Services, which I have contacted them about, but I would look at buying the unit around 2035-2040. The main thing I need to know is how much it would cost to buy it and/or what price they would set. This would be my dream to own my favourite EMU as I am going to convert it so I can live in it I will install a kitchen, Living Room, gaming room etc.

If the 321 unit is not up for purchasing I will gladly invest in another EMU!
How old are you?
 

Alanko

Member
Joined
2 May 2019
Messages
641
Location
Somewhere between Waverley and Queen Street.
Theirs a lot of slam door mark 2s sitting in various sidings gathering dust , what are they like for rust ?

Some people seem to consider them worse for corrosion, though it varies with where they were manufactured, allegedly.

I'm not sold on the idea of making a permanent dwelling from any carriage, to be honest. Drop the interesting railwayana angle and you essentially have a long, thin metal house that needs a lot of work to be practical, let along comfortable. Grand for a short term holiday let or man cave, perhaps.

Any sort of aftermarket insulation could potentially trap and retain moisture, leading to deep, unseen corrosion. I imagine a carriage acts a bit like a shipping container; vast temperature fluctuations make them draw in damp air during the night as they cool down.
 

gg1

Established Member
Joined
2 Jun 2011
Messages
2,483
Location
Birmingham
I'm not sold on the idea of making a permanent dwelling from any carriage, to be honest. Drop the interesting railwayana angle and you essentially have a long, thin metal house that needs a lot of work to be practical, let along comfortable. Grand for a short term holiday let or man cave, perhaps.
I did see a picture of one a few years ago which consisted of two carriages both with one side completely removed and joined together at the open side which would have been more practical.

I'm with you though, holiday rentals are fine (we stayed in an ex LNER goods van a couple of months ago which was wonderful - for a few nights) but I definitely wouldn't fancy anything like what the OP is suggesting as a permanent home.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top