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Pulling the emergency chord

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strange6

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I have never been on a train when somebody has pulled the emergency chord? Do the brakes come on in full force and everybody gets violently tossed about or is it more serene and much more gentle. Also, does the driver have to reset anything when the chord has been pulled?
I can imigine this happening a lot at night on a Saturday. Bet it doesn't half p*ss the driver off.
 
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The train won't necessarily stop at all. The driver can override it to avoid the stopping the train in an unsuitable place. If the driver doesn't override it then there will be an emergency brake application. It will feel more severe than normal braking but you won't be thrown about - its not that violent.
 

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It doesn't seem to happen a huge amount down on Southern. 377s have an overide button to stop the brakes being applied, 313s and 442s don't. I imagine (unless its DOO) the chord being pulled p*sses off the conductor more, given its he/she who normally resets the thing. It hasn't happened to me yet :)

As for the brakes its more than likely you have been on a train that has stopped under full emergency, its not anything violent, the train just stops fairly heavily. Most passengers wouldn't even know that the train did an emergency stop.
 

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Some scumbags on a late north Wales 170 from Chester a few weeks ago activated an emergency brake. I wouldn't call it violent, just very heavy braking. Guard was charging rearwards to deal with said scumbags while the train was slowing which gives an indication of the forces involved, compared to a full brake on a road vehicle it is pretty tame.
 

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Most older (BR era) stock including 158's etc will have a direct brake application when the 'Pass-Comm' (Passenger Communication) is pulled. There is no facility to speak to the traincrew on these trains so it's a case of going for a wander to see what's amiss! The orange hazard light outside will illuminate on whichever coach is affected, which helps narrow it down, although there will still be several levers in each car. As said above it isn't an immediate stop as that isn't really possible on a train, just a general feeling of deceleration and then a slightly abrupt stop, as the Driver can't east off the brake with any type of emergency application, as they would usually. Not sure what happens on the newer stock where the Driver can speak to the Pax and override it, but on the 'old school' units the Guard/Driver simply resets the lever with a carriage key, brakes then come straight off. If for any reason it causes major issues the train can be moved by overriding some safety systems, but not in general service.

In my experience most Drivers are helpful and you generally end up both walking through and meeting in the middle somewhere, which makes it quicker. I've had a few incidents of it being operated, including once in Fisherton Tunnel at Salisbury, but never for a genuine emergency. It's usually either some idiot who thinks it's funny to delay everyone (including themselves!) or quite often on 158's it'll be somebody trying to flush the toilet or open the toilet door! :roll:
 

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I remember being on a 156 between Doncaster & Goole some years ago. In a bay of 4 just in front of me was a middle aged couple with their young grandson out for the day.

The lad would have only been about 4 or 5 years old. He got up on the table to get a better view & said, "grandad, what does this do". He found out pretty quickly afterwards having pulled the lever for the communication chord & we came to an abrupt halt just south of Thorne..!!:D
 

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On older trains such as Sprinters, the emergency cord will directly apply the brakes and the Driver or Guard must reset it at the location it was pulled (mostly the disabled loo)
On newer units such as turbostars, the Driver can indeed override the brake application, but he is still required to bring the train to a stand. The reason for the override is to enable the Driver to control the location of the train coming to a stand. For instance, if a serious emergency had occurred on board which may neccessitate an evacuation, you don't want the train coming to a stand in a tunnel.
 

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When I was younger, a family weekend in London saw me take a train along the ECML for the first time. On both the up and down journeys an emergency alarm was activated (I think both were un-refurbished 91s + MKIVs), for sometime afterwards I assumed this was a regular thing on long distance train journeys. It wasn't until I started trains more regularly that I realised it wasn't!

I seem to remember the train slowing to a stop fairly quickly, but as I said, this was over 10 years ago, and my memory isn't that good!
 

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Ive been on a number of train journeys where either an emergency or full service brake has been used.

A couple have been true TPWS applications (overspeed in to a curve) another was a TPWS fault when any time the unit went above around 40mph, the unit came to a stand. A change of ends sorted that one out, but buggered me up because the train was full and I was originally sat facing forward... the rest of the journey was spent facing backward. All these were on 158's as well.

Bendydildos can stop surprisingly quickly in an "emergency" too and the final "jolt" is certainly more uncomfortable than a 158.

It was noticably heavy braking with the inevitable "jolt" as the unit came to a stand, but certainly nothing like what is seen in the movies.
 

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It was noticably heavy braking with the inevitable "jolt" as the unit came to a stand, but certainly nothing like what is seen in the movies.

Yeah, I like the one in the Thirtynine Steps with Kenneth Moore on the Fourth Bridge.

Incidentally, are there any main line trains which still have the red chain rather than a plasric handle which seems to be the case most of the time nowadays?
 

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Yeah, I like the one in the Thirtynine Steps with Kenneth Moore on the Fourth Bridge.

Incidentally, are there any main line trains which still have the red chain rather than a plasric handle which seems to be the case most of the time nowadays?

Yep, Mark I and some Mark II coaches have the chains
 

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hahaha that's funny! I bet it's so embarassing for the toilet user lol

A common one on the ECML is the "Attention Traincrew : Disabled Passenger Alert Activated"... usually someone who can't get out the loo!

Incidentally, are there any main line trains which still have the red chain rather than a plasric handle which seems to be the case most of the time nowadays?

Mk2 coaches and I think some Mk3s have them.
 

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London Underground were the first to switch from having them applying the brakes to just an alarm, as oviously in most emergency situations it would not be good to stop in a tunnel. That's why boards are provided on the exit to stations to show the driver how many coaches are still in the platform, so they can judge if they can stop if the alarm is activated.

Tread braked stock tends to give the most violant emergency stops, as tread brakes become more effective at lower speeds. Had a few impressive ones with slammers and on preserved railways (never communication cords though, slammer ones were idiots opening doors and a wrong routing, preserved railway ones were idiots playing chicken and an idiot car driver on a crossing). Only had communication cord stops twice that I can think of, once where someone leant on the button on a packed Turobstar, once where someone missed their stop. Saw a 319 do the latter type at St Albans some years ago too, 8 car one so it took the driver a while to walk back and reset, then it went off with most wheels flatted.

Do the FCC 313s and Merseyrail electrics have over-ride? Would have thought they should, for the same reason London Underground do.
 

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Bendydildos can stop surprisingly quickly in an "emergency" too and the final "jolt" is certainly more uncomfortable than a 158.

It was noticably heavy braking with the inevitable "jolt" as the unit came to a stand, but certainly nothing like what is seen in the movies.

221 emergency stop on Youtube.
 

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Do the FCC 313s and Merseyrail electrics have over-ride? Would have thought they should, for the same reason London Underground do.[/QUOTE]

313's have override fitted as a modification
 

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1. Brillopad didn't film this
2. There was a signal failure

It was a junction signal too so I bet the driver sh*t himself thinking the points on the approach may have turned against him as well. Not a very nice situation for the driver to be in. Thank god for ATPS; it really did its job there
 

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It was a junction signal too so I bet the driver sh*t himself thinking the points on the approach may have turned against him as well. Not a very nice situation for the driver to be in. Thank god for ATPS; it really did its job there
ATWS*
At that distance, it looked more like the Driver had applied it
 

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HST pulling away from Hayle onto the viaduct, passenger was at a platformed door (Hayle is a short platform) but insisted on trying to pull a giant suitcase through the aisle, which was too narrow, to get to a door nearer the station exit.
He pulled the cord resulting in an 'abrupt' stop on the viaduct - he then shouted at the TM expecting him to arrange a reverse to Hayle.
 
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