Protection

[Prernasinghal3]

Hey, so I usually travel from Hounslow to woking and bought tickets i two half's and if first half is not used i do refund and use other half for woking station but today I bought same tickets I refunded first half from Hounslow to weybridge and buy a new tickets from weybridge to woking but that ticket got failed to issue and I was unaware of the fact but then revenue protection asked me to show tickets then I realized that issued got failed so they prosecute me for not showing valid tickets and this is my third time offence. So I want some adive what should I do or what gonna be the consequences

 

[30907]

So you have bought a ticket from Hounslow to Weybridge and refunded it if it hasn't been scanned/checked (not "used"), and another ticket Weybridge-Woking. You have been caught cheating twice before.

SWR will write/mail asking for your side of the story. They will say that they intend to take you to court, where you will be fined. They will normally agree to a financial settlement, which will cost you less but avoid a criminal record. They will do some investigating, and may want you to repay all the fares you have cheated on (plus a sum for admin).

However, you have been caught twice before. This may affect their decision. Perhaps you could tell us what happened each time, so we can understand better?

For now, there is nothing you can do apart from wait and work out how much you should have paid - and of course, stop cheating!

 

[Prernasinghal3]

So I didn't cheat intensionally like twice before is also not my mistake so one i remember is like that i bought tickets for 2 way travel together but because of some glitch it just came as I side only and then they penalized me for that.

So now I need to wait for their decision ryt.

 

[AlterEgo]

It’s almost impossible to see what you’ve been doing. Please put in bullet points, what you’ve bought, why, you bought them, and why you’ve been refunding tickets. It’s really not clear what the facts are at all.

What were your other two offences? We rarely see people here who are already on their third offence.

 

[WesternLancer]

So I didn't cheat intensionally like twice before is also not my mistake so one i remember is like that i bought tickets for 2 way travel together but because of some glitch it just came as I side only and then they penalized me for that.

So now I need to wait for their decision ryt.

If it gets to court and you need to explain things to the magistrate I would suggest you work on a clearer explanation as this is very difficult to understand.

If you can’t explain it clearly they will probably not believe you and the risk is they will then make a guilty verdict.

 

[Haywain]

So I didn't cheat intensionally

Claiming a refund on a ticket you had used was accidental? Pull the other one. It seems clear to me that you've been buying tickets in such a way that you can avoid paying your full fare. Nobody is going to accept that it wasn't intentional.

 

[30907]

So I didn't cheat intensionally like twice before is also not my mistake so one i remember is like that i bought tickets for 2 way travel together but because of some glitch it just came as I side only and then they penalized me for that.

Sorry, I should have been clearer: what type of penalty did you receive?
Was it a Penalty Fare which you can pay on the spot, or did you get a letter later?

 

[Prernasinghal3]

Hey, yeahs so it was penalty fare which i can pay on the spot and third time thay prosecute me

 

[30907]

Hey, yeahs so it was penalty fare which i can pay on the spot and third time thay prosecute me

So two penalty fares, and not threatened with prosecution previously.
Your card may be marked, as itvwere, but I think it likely that things will proceed as I outlined, and if you engage with SWR you will be able to settle out of court.

 

[Prernasinghal3]

Yeah it was like that only I wasn't threatened before neither did I received any letter but this time this happened to me. So please can me tell bit more clear like what could be the consequences for this.

 

[AlterEgo]

It’s still unclear to me - and probably many others - exactly what you’ve been doing. Which tickers exactly are you buying? Why are you refunding some of them? How often have you been doing this?

 

[SuspectUsual]

So as I understand this is what's happened:

- The OP travels from Hounslow to Woking (and presumably back again)

- Rather than buying one ticket for the journey, they buy Hounslow to Weybridge, and then Weybridge to Woking

- I assume there aren't barriers at Hounslow, which means if the ticket isn't checked before Weybridge it can be refunded

- Recently the second ticket "failed to issue" and the OP got caught out either by an inspection between Weybridge and Woking or at the barriers at Woking

- There have been two previous offences (not sure if they're the same type of offences or something else)

Is that right?

 

[30907]

Yeah it was like that only I wasn't threatened before neither did I received any letter but this time this happened to me. So please can me tell bit more clear like what could be the consequences for this.

Basically as I said before (bold expansions)

SWR will write/mail asking for your side of the story. They will say that they intend to take you to court, where you will be almost certainly found guilty and fined.
They will normally agree to a financial settlement instead, which will cost you less but avoid a criminal record.
They will do some investigating of your travel history, and may want you to repay all the fares you have cheated on (plus a sum for admin).

When the letter comes, please come back and ask for advice. You will need to engage with them to avoid going to court.

PS I should have said that cheating the railway by not paying your proper fare isn't just wrong, it is a criminal offence (though not a very serious one - you won't be going to prison).