Private Jets

[WestCoast]

Does anybody know what's the price for one of these things, transatlantic, say? I've googled it, but they all seem a bit coy about saying how much it is.

I don't know about transatlantic because these companies will rarely give you online quotes. I guess the theory is that if you need to know the price, it's too much for you....

Anyway, I have found a reservation site based in Germany, which would give a quote from Hannover in Northern Germany to Bristol.

http://www.privatejetwork.com/GetYourQuote.aspx#

They reckon per flying hour it costs;

€5500 - €8000 for a medium sized jet (up to 8 seats).
€10500 - €15500 for a heavy jet (12-14 seats)

Light jets and turboprops are cheaper.

So, with catering, taxes, landing fees and all that, my guesstimate would be £110,000 - £150,000 for an 7 - 8 hours flight across to the Eastern US.
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Nice aircraft, although how is Lydd in London? Is this a case of London Oxford Airport syndrome?

It's all marketing, the only airports (GA or commercial) within the M25 are Heathrow, London City and Biggin Hill.

 

[Nym]

Or if you're posh, RAF Northolt...

Thats a point actually, if the goverment wants to make some money out of it's assets, nothing much else happens there any more, make it a GA airfeild for private jets...

Easy access to South Ruslip station for London, cheaper than Heathrow, and just, well, inside the M25

 

[WestCoast]

Or if you're posh, RAF Northolt...

Thats a point actually, if the goverment wants to make some money out of it's assets, nothing much else happens there any more, make it a GA airfeild for private jets...

Easy access to South Ruslip station for London, cheaper than Heathrow, and just, well, inside the M25

Luton is currently the private jet airport of choice, with dedicated terminal facilities and apron.

 

[Nym]

Luton is currently the private jet airport of choice, with dedicated terminal facilities and apron.

It is indeed, they also have deidcated staff to look after your GA Aircraft, and very cheap landing and GA storeage charges.

But for the high end private aviation I could see Northolt doing reasonablly. Especially with how close it is to Heathrow.

 

[Schnellzug]

Does anybody know what's the price for one of these things, transatlantic, say? I've googled it, but they all seem a bit coy about saying how much it is.

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

 

[Flamingo]

Oh, I KNOW I can't afford it!

 

[TheJRB]

Nice aircraft, although how is Lydd in London? Is this a case of London Oxford Airport syndrome?

It's all marketing, the only airports (GA or commercial) within the M25 are Heathrow, London City and Biggin Hill.

Exactly.

You can barely get away with calling it in Ashford in my opinion (it's twelve miles away as the crow flies or a seventeen mile half hour drive) never mind London. I'm a little surprised Manston hasn't received the same treatment. Is it not more confusing to passengers to call it what it isn't?

 

[Flamingo]

Exactly.

You can barely get away with calling it in Ashford in my opinion (it's twelve miles away as the crow flies or a seventeen mile half hour drive) never mind London. I'm a little surprised Manston hasn't received the same treatment. Is it not more confusing to passengers to call it what it isn't?

Well, Ryanair get away with it!

 

[WestCoast]

Well, Ryanair get away with it!

The airport's encourage that though, the most ridiculous example I can think of being Frankfurt (Hahn) which is about 90 miles from the city of Frankfurt and an hour and a half (+) by car, two hours minimum by bus. However the airport actually calls itself that, it's not a Ryanair invention.

 

[Schnellzug]

Well, Ryanair get away with it!

You're lucky if the airport's in the same country as where you want to go with O'Learyair.

 

[Tomonthetrain]

Exactly.

You can barely get away with calling it in Ashford in my opinion (it's twelve miles away as the crow flies or a seventeen mile half hour drive) never mind London. I'm a little surprised Manston hasn't received the same treatment. Is it not more confusing to passengers to call it what it isn't?

Manston was sometimes known as London Manston Airport. Its now known as "Manston - Kent's International Airport". On 26 July 2005 London Manston Airport Plc went into liquidation.

 

[WestCoast]

You're lucky if the airport's in the same country as where you want to go with O'Learyair.

Prime example being Vienna (Bratislava)!

Manston was sometimes known as London Manston Airport. Its now known as "Manston - Kent's International Airport". On 26 July 2005 London Manston Airport Plc went into liquidation.

That was when the owners of Manston, PlaneStation, went bust, wasn't it? They also owned EUjet, the low cost airline that operated a fleet of Fokker 100s out of 'London Manton'. I remember seeing EUjet flights from Manston at Manchester.

 

[Bungle73]

Nice aircraft, although how is Lydd in London? Is this a case of London Oxford Airport syndrome?

None of the "London" airports are actually in London, apart from Heathrow and London City.

 

[Butts]

None of the "London" airports are actually in London, apart from Heathrow and London City.

Good point you may as well call Glasgow Edinburgh or vice versa if they used the same criteria as some of the so called "London ........."

 

[WestCoast]

Good point you may as well call Glasgow Edinburgh or vice versa if they used the same criteria as some of the so called "London ........."

Same around here; we could have Manchester (Liverpool) Airport or Liverpool (Manchester) Airport. They're barely 30 miles apart by road.

It wouldn't go down very well though! hock:

 

[Bungle73]

The difference is Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow and Edinburgh are all major cities in their own right. Where as no one outside the UK is going to know anything about Gatwick, Luton, Stansted etc; when people fly into those they really want to get to London.

 

[WestCoast]

The difference is Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow and Edinburgh are all major cities in their own right. Where as no one outside the UK is going to know anything about Gatwick, Luton, Stansted etc; when people fly into those they really want to get to London.

I have no objection to it really, foreign tourists/business travellers generally haven't got a clue where Gatwick or Luton are. I mean, say, Rome to Luton will mean nothing. However, I think the boundaries may have been pushed a bit with London Manston or London Oxford (not just in terms of distance).

How many people in the UK know that Fiumicino and Ciampino are airports in/near Rome?

 

[furryfeet]

They reckon per flying hour it costs;

€5500 - €8000 for a medium sized jet (up to 8 seats).
€10500 - €15500 for a heavy jet (12-14 seats)

Light jets and turboprops are cheaper.

www.privatefly.com gives rough estimates

www.lunajets.com has "empty legs" for hire, in euros.

With both of the above, I do not know as to whether these are just "hourly hire" costs or the total cost including pilots and landing fees etc.
If there is someone out there with knowledge, then please pass it on !
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Does anyone know at what rate the European Carbon Offsetting scheme will be charged at for private jets ?
I believe that this will come into force this year and is separate from the mr. osbornes APD levy, which is due to start in 2013.

 

[WestCoast]

Does anyone know at what rate the European Carbon Offsetting scheme will be charged at for private jets ?
I believe that this will come into force this year and is separate from the mr. osbornes APD levy, which is due to start in 2013.

So private jets will face an APD levy from 2013 as well as having to participate in the ETS this year?

The ETS is controversial in itself as according to this link, business aviation operators will have to pay for EU ETS credits for 96% of their historical emissions compared to an average of 15% for airlines.

However, I believe the figure may be more like 20% for airlines, but still it's a considerable difference. China and the US are already threatening to take action against the EU for imposing its levy outside the EU boundaries!