PRIV standard rate ticket only?

[everycloud]

Hi, apologies if this has been covered, tried to search a few topics for a basic answer which I have been unable to find.

I have a PRIV (Q rate) ticket through my employer First Scotrail and am considering a trip from Edinburgh to Newcastle on a Saturday.

To get an idea of how much it will cost, I went onto the Trainline and they seem pretty cheap but I have no clue if these prices are the 'standard fare' that I am able to use with my PRIV?

For example, it shows outward Cheapest Standard Single as £20 and return as £11.50.

I've attached a photo of the fares page but it details those fares as Advance Single? Are these valid to use the PRIV on? If not, where do I find the info and prices of the 'standard' rates? I'm assuming the Trainline just offers the cheapest price available?

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[Urban Gateline]

PRIV does not get discount on Advance fares as your correctly pointed out.

If you use http://www.brfares.com and enter PRV in the discount code box then you will get the real PRIV fares (which is 75% off the Anytime fare)

Anytime Return seems to be £16.25 and Anytime Single £12.50.

 

[maniacmartin]

Note that if booking in advance, undiscounted Advance tickets can be cheaper than PRIV-discounted flexible Anytime tickets.

 

[Urban Gateline]

Note that if booking in advance, undiscounted Advance tickets can be cheaper than PRIV-discounted flexible Anytime tickets.

This is especially more true for longer distance Journeys! Also there's nothing stopping you from having a 16-25 or other Railcard if you are elligible for it! As I've found out that lead to some very good value Advance fares!

 

[everycloud]

Ok I now see those standard £50 single fares! So the anytime return is basically what I'm looking to buy therefore making it £16.50.

I don't need to buy single tickets or anything, eg £50 outward + £50 return journey?

The cheapest East Coast advance ticket is £9 each way so im saving £1.50

Reason I'm looking at Newcastle is that I recently went to Manchester using my 'boxes' on TransPennine and the train called at Newcastle so I thought 'Wow, didn't know I could travel here for free!'

Seems it was due to engineering that the route went through Newcastle from Edinburgh so it's not a timetabled stop :cry:

I don't see a way to get to Newcastle on First operated TOCs so I may have to go with the East Coast plan.
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This is especially more true for longer distance Journeys! Also there's nothing stopping you from having a 16-25 or other Railcard if you are elligible for it! As I've found out that lead to some very good value Advance fares!

Too old!

I'm basically doing a tour of the UKs finest old record shops and hoping to do it on the cheap.

 

[bb21]

The Anytime Return is £65 so the Q-rate fare will be £16.25
The Anytime Single is £50 so the Q-rate fare will be £12.50

You don't have to buy two singles as a return is available.

Fares here.

 

[everycloud]

The Anytime Return is £65 so the Q-rate fare will be £16.25
The Anytime Single is £50 so the Q-rate fare will be £12.50

You don't have to buy two singles as a return is available.

Fares here.

Very useful tool, thankyou.

 

[island]

And don't use thetrainline, which has recently increased its booking fee, when there are plentiful other sites without one.

 

[dcsprior]

I don't see a way to get to Newcastle on First operated TOCs so I may have to go with the East Coast plan.

Can you use Scotrail's Glasgow Central-Carlisle-Newcastle Service? I ask as I believe its operated by First Scotrail / Northern jointly so dunno if this counts for your purposes. It takes an absolute age though.,

I'm basically doing a tour of the UKs finest old record shops and hoping to do it on the cheap.

My personal favourite is Europa Music in Stirling - somewhere you definitely can get on a Scotrail train

 

[trentside]

This is especially more true for longer distance Journeys! Also there's nothing stopping you from having a 16-25 or other Railcard if you are elligible for it! As I've found out that lead to some very good value Advance fares!

I've made the decision to retain my 16-25 Railcard for the same reason, I may as well make the most of it. I mainly now use it to pick up cheap 1st Advance fares on long distance journeys and for discounted TfL Travelcards.

 

[everycloud]

Can you use Scotrail's Glasgow Central-Carlisle-Newcastle Service? I ask as I believe its operated by First Scotrail / Northern jointly so dunno if this counts for your purposes. It takes an absolute age though.,



My personal favourite is Europa Music in Stirling - somewhere you definitely can get on a Scotrail train

I'd rather go for the 90 min journey as this will be a day trip. Not tried Europa, not been to Stirling since I was at school so might give it a visit, thanks.

 

[142094]

Can you use Scotrail's Glasgow Central-Carlisle-Newcastle Service? I ask as I believe its operated by First Scotrail / Northern jointly so dunno if this counts for your purposes. It takes an absolute age though.

Technically the TOC operating the service changes at Carlisle (as do the staff), so he would have to pay from Carlisle to Newcastle and return.

 

[everycloud]

Technically the TOC operating the service changes at Carlisle (as do the staff), so he would have to pay from Carlisle to Newcastle and return.

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Yeah, I think I'll just do the east coast priv. That Glasgow-Carlisle-Newcastle takes 4 hours so I think its a no.

 

[westcoaster]

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Yeah, I think I'll just do the east coast priv. That Glasgow-Carlisle-Newcastle takes 4 hours so I think its a no.

does scotrail have a reciprecal agreement with east coast, where you can travel on there services for free, I know we do but its only at weekends.

 

[yorkie]

Technically the TOC operating the service changes at Carlisle (as do the staff), so he would have to pay from Carlisle to Newcastle and return.

However it is advertised as Scotrail throughout to Newcastle, so in the direction toward Newcastle I would expect that to be honoured, but advise checking with the Guard. On the return leg a ticket is likely to be required, but again check with the guard if possible.

Someone with a Northern pass enquired about this a few years ago and I recall the conclusion was that holders of a pass matching that of the advertised operator are valid, but in the return journey they may need to purchase a ticket.

A similar issue occurs with some trains which change operator between FCC & SouthEastern. I saw a train advertised as operated by FCC at Bromley South the other day, which I suspect was actually operated by SouthEastern at that point. I doubt many of the customers would have any idea of the advertised operator being different to the actual operator.

 

[142094]

However it is advertised as Scotrail throughout to Newcastle, so in the direction toward Newcastle I would expect that to be honoured, but advise checking with the Guard. On the return leg a ticket is likely to be required, but again check with the guard if possible.

Someone with a Northern pass enquired about this a few years ago and I recall the conclusion was that holders of a pass matching that of the advertised operator are valid, but in the return journey they may need to purchase a ticket.

A similar issue occurs with some trains which change operator between FCC & SouthEastern. I saw a train advertised as operated by FCC at Bromley South the other day, which I suspect was actually operated by SouthEastern at that point. I doubt many of the customers would have any idea of the advertised operator being different to the actual operator.

It may have been me with the pass, and I was told that I would have to buy a ticket from Carlisle onwards - this was confirmed by Northern's Debt and Prosecutions unit at Bradford.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

I'm basically doing a tour of the UKs finest old record shops and hoping to do it on the cheap.

An anytime ticket may be more useful for a tour as you aren't tied to a specific train and can break your journey (maybe find that rare copy of Lord Rockingham XI's greatest hit in the backstreets of Berwick).