Priv and First Class & Leeds - Bodmin

[Bayum]

Because I can't stand it at home, im thinking of travelling back down to Cornwall tomorrow (10/08/08) Does anyone know if there are any engineering works likely to affect this ?? Or if the train will be diverted in any way?? Or, if I can get to York, I remember hearing about some Castleford Diversions or something....

Also, with my Priv Pass, will I be able to upgrade to First Class for the £10/15 fare that paying passengers get??

 

[Gizmogle]

I'm pretty sure that you can pay the standard weekend upgrade of £10/£15.

Although, PRIV passengers are asked not to take any of the complimentary snacks.

 

[P156KWJ]

why though?

 

[Gizmogle]

I dunno. We're not really proper paying passengers.

 

[Max]

Because I can't stand it at home, im thinking of travelling back down to Cornwall tomorrow (10/08/08) Does anyone know if there are any engineering works likely to affect this ?? Or if the train will be diverted in any way?? Or, if I can get to York, I remember hearing about some Castleford Diversions or something....

TPE and XC services between York and Leeds are all diverted via Castleford during Sundays in August

 

[91101]

If you have paid the full fare upgrade (10/15) then you are entitled to everything it affords you, regardless of the price (or discounts) on your original ticket.

The guidelines on ATOC's website regarding consumption of free items by staff is only for staff who have First Class Travel Facilities. By virtue of the fact that 6rdfar90 will be paying the full public upgrade Weekend First price then he'll be fine to take whatever he gets.

However, in reality mate have a quick word with the TM before you sit down and I'd be extremely suprised if they actually ask you to pay the upgrade, or expect you to!

 

[yorkie]

Are people on discounted tickets, such as PRIVs and Advance Purchase, officially allowed to upgrade to Weekend First on XC? Some people have told me that it's not officially allowed but the HSTs have such a ridiculous over-supply of FC accomodation compared to a Voyager that most TMs allow it anyway.

Leeds-Bodmin will be £15 (as York-Penzance is £15), from Birmingham it drops to £10. Not sure how far you have to go for it to be £20 though (maybe Newcastle or Edinburgh?)

 

[37412]

Although, PRIV passengers are asked not to take any of the complimentary snacks.

I thought that was only if you have a priv box that is valid for FC travel (like manangers would get), if you have a standard priv box and pay an upgrade then you are able to have the complimentary stuff I think.

 

[dan_atki]

Are people on discounted tickets, such as PRIVs and Advance Purchase, officially allowed to upgrade to Weekend First on XC? Some people have told me that it's not officially allowed but the HSTs have such a ridiculous over-supply of FC accomodation compared to a Voyager that most TMs allow it anyway.

From CrossCountry's website:

Weekend Upgrade:
The Weekend Upgrade ticket costs from £10.00 and offers the benefits of First Class travel to those travelling at the weekend. Please note that Child and Railcard discounts do not apply. You can purchase the Weekend Upgrade on Saturdays/Sundays and selected Bank Holidays provided you hold a valid Standard Class ticket on board the train, and subject to space being available in First Class. If purchasing your ticket at the station it is possible to purchase the upgrade in advance with a Standard Class ticket and reserve a seat, but we cannot guarantee a seat will be available if you choose to travel on an alternative service.

Please note it is not possible to purchase an upgrade in conjunction with all types of ticket, customers holding Standard Class Advance fares cannot purchase the First Class upgrade. We would suggest that you purchase an Advance First ticket for your journey if you are looking to travel in First Class.

Then again, it does make me wonder if the TMs are told all these intricate rules in the first place.

Agreeing also with 91101, you may be lucky enough to get one of the nicer TMs who'll tell you not to pay for the upgrade but you shouldn't go on expecting to get it for free.

As the rules regarding the upgrade of a PRIV seem to be a bit cloudy* I'd say it's best to ask the TM before going in and then it's their discretion as to what they want to do.

* Saying that though, you do, in essence, have a valid standard class ticket (SOS/SOR) for the journey which are valid to be upgraded :?

 

[samuel paul]

on arriva cross country

1. Advanced tickets are NOT allowed to upgrade there tickets to week end first

2. SOS and SOR do NOT get a free upgrade , this was a virgin trains thing now its arriva cross country they have stoped this so SOR and SOS no upgrade

 

[Bayum]

on arriva cross country

1. Advanced tickets are NOT allowed to upgrade there tickets to week end first

2. SOS and SOR do NOT get a free upgrade , this was a virgin trains thing now its arriva cross country they have stoped this so SOR and SOS no upgrade

SOR and SOS??

 

[nath9425]

Whats priv hock:

 

[Bayum]

Where you get boxes to tick off, on a given date. you can then use that dated box for 48 hours, and get discount and free travel on the rail network =D

 

[dan_atki]

on arriva cross country

1. Advanced tickets are NOT allowed to upgrade there tickets to week end first

2. SOS and SOR do NOT get a free upgrade , this was a virgin trains thing now its arriva cross country they have stoped this so SOR and SOS no upgrade

I did not say that SOS (Standard Open Single) and SOR (Standard Open Return) got a free upgrade (regardless of historical arrangements).

Most walk on fares for long distance companies are open returns due to the fact it is unreasonable to do the return journey in one day. Other common fares are SVR (saver returns) which are, in essence, more restrictive SORs (and hence cheaper).

The reason I specifically mentioned SOS and SORs is that along with SDS and SDRs, these are the only ticket types that a PRIV discount is valid on.

As an SOR is the most UNrestrictive open return ticket you can have anyway, it would seem very very unlikely that the paid upgrade is not valid on it.

Now back to the other point - namely the 'free' business. It is known that many guards and train managers allow priv holders to travel/upgrade for free when they ask for a ticket. Often they'll say 'don't worry about it' or something similar. Now whilst it isn't really legitimate, if the only guard with the only source of a ticket for your journey refuses to give you one there's not exactly much you can do. I guess it's the same with LU giving privs to TOCNE card holders when they're not meant to (after all they get discounts on NR).
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Where you get boxes to tick off, on a given date. you can then use that dated box for 48 hours, and get discount and free travel on the rail network =D

Please clarify for me if that is the type of Priv you have - i.e. NOT the TOCNE one for employees starting after privatisation (where you get 75% off fares).

If so, as you're travelling for free in the first place, it is unlikely you'd be permitted to upgrade as other customers can. Then again, it is down to the TM in the individual circumstance as to whether they allow you as, at the end of the day, it is 'their' train.

 

[Gizmogle]

Whats priv hock:

A staff railpass.

 

[class 313]

A staff railpass.

Or for staff family. :roll:

 

[Bayum]

Or for staff family. :roll:

Ooooh, you should become my new brother =D

 

[dan_atki]

Or for staff family. :roll:

That's only true to an extent.

Only employee's family members that are eligible for travel facilities are:

- Partner of employee;
- Eligible dependant children who meet several conditions as defined by ATOC RST.

And these are at the discretion of the employee...

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Weekend First upgrades are available to those with walk up standard class tickets*, discounted or otherwise.

So that'll be fare-paying passengers only!!

(*Some companies allow Advance tickets to be upgraded on the train)

(info taken from NFM 98 as I currently cannot access NFM 99)