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Power curves for EMUs

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If there are any electric traction experts here, can anyone shed light on this for me. On older electric multiple units using DC motors the horsepower produced will exceed the nominal rated figure during acceleration. Is this still the case with modern units using AC motors ?
 
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Well... Yes and no...

AC and DC motors being compared are like chalk and cheese in engineering terms.

For example DC motors have two control currents, one to produce the magnetic field and one producing the winding current, the latter is commutated via brushes, exceeding the rating on these would rarely damage the motor unless applied for long periods of time due to the construction.

AC Motors are very different, the only simple way I can think to explain an induction machine is that it follows the phase of the AC supply round the motor, and the rotor is excited with a perminant DC feild, where the stator has a changing feild, and the torque is produced by the difference in angle between the stator feild and the rotor feild, known as slip. As AC motors are also newer technology and usually ran synchronously with the supply frequency (not on trains) the limiting factor would be the construction of the motor.
Today, in the world of variable speed drives (rather than tap changers etc.) the motor doesn't tend to be the weakest link, the power electronics are, and these are very closely rated, and over-running these, even for a short period of time would cause a significant drop in performance, and potential serious fault damage across the components that can damage other system components.

Don't know if that's answered anythin you're asking, but generally, new = AC traction motors, old = DC traction motors. AC controllers much more complex and cannot usually be 'over run'.
 

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Whereas DC motor and control circuits are basically giant blocks of metal and are thus nigh indestructible (except by flashover).
 

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Unless you're using PWM, but when DC stuff moved onto PWM, we moved onto AC stuff anyway, since AC where you don't care about harmonics is easyer to control than DC with PWM...
 

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Thanks very much for the information both of you. I was looking at the power outputs for a particular type of EMU. Each motor car is rated at 600 kW. Assuming the computer was giving the right information, under DC the traction demand only rose to just over 500 kW before falling off, whereas on AC over 800 kW was noted before the same happened.
 

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That also raises the question of 500 and 800kW what... If it's 800kW demand on the DC Link then it's more than an 800kW demand on the motors ;)
 
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