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St Pancras to Market Harboro’ is 53 1/2 mins non-stop (in the working timetable). The fast Nottinghams often do it in 52 mins without difficulty.

And how would intermediate traffic get from Market Harboro’ and north thereof to stations south of Kettering?
 
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The quickest I can see on NRE is 1hr 40 from Nottingham.

I don't see why there couldn't still be services towards Kettering. Currently only 1 of the 4tph through Leicester stop south of Market Harborough. I don't see why there couldn't still be trains going that way, unless there's absolutely no spare capacity on the northern MML.
 

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In simple terms - there are 4 platforms at St Pancras - giving a turnround gross time of 240 mins per hour .....(60x4)

Assume a 3 min junction margin for arriving and departing trains.

If 2 of the services are fast EMU types for Corby - no reservations , tanking , refreshment etc - needed - just a fast litter pick - they could in theory have a 10-12 min turn round. (think Southern terminii operations)

So for several hours - smarter turnounds might be appropriate for the "longer" distance service - which in any case get their "servicing" done with longish turn arounds at Nottingham / Sheffield (Derby)

So therefore , a timetable which is built around the London end terminus (which is where most of the money is earned in any case) , might be worth a good hard look.

This running out of ECS to Cricklewood - lay over and then back - reminds me of 1950's steam operation at say Paddington , where everything virtually went back to Old Oak Common for several hours rest. Is this truly efficient.?

Then you can look at the Thameslink "fit" - we know enough from many previous discussions on weaving in and out over the junctions.

Frankly - the Thameslink services on the MML south of Bedford , and especially south of Luton - carry the passenger burden. Route planning capacity needs to take this on board.
 

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... Frankly - the Thameslink services on the MML south of Bedford , and especially south of Luton - carry the passenger burden. Route planning capacity needs to take this on board.
Is that reflected in the total amount of track access charges for GTR vs EM?
 

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Interesting.
Perhaps an alternate diverging route.
Is there space to get from STP to the West Coast (there may already be a link, not sure?).


Fair enough I suppose, if you've got a totally blank, bottomless chequebook and free reign over land aquisition... <eye roll emoticon>
So you're saying what they did was the only way of re-building?
No mistakes were made (looking back at it now)?
There was absolutely no other way of increasing the concourse area or platforms fairly cheaply (in the grand scheme of the project)?
I mean, with other projects it seems to be fairly easy to just do whatever is needed (thinking land aquisition for HS2).
This was not one of them.


Yes, but how? Do you not think this was looked at?
No :P Not as a serious contender. I got the feeling it was all about Eurostar and giving Eurostar what they wanted at the detriment to the MML, which was effectively turfed out of it's home and stuck in a side shed.

Just like continuing the arched roof of the original shed wasn't looked at either. Instead, we now have some sort of flat roof extension that looks like it's come out the 1980s :P

My opinion of course. I watched the documentary about it; I see how emotional the architect got.
 
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Is that reflected in the total amount of track access charges for GTR vs EM?

Yes they would be the prime commercial contributor (track access charges) - with up to 15 tph in the peak , a much higher carriages in service total and of course being the head lessee of all stations south of Bedford.
 

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question... how much does the track layout of the MML cause capacity issues? what I'm thinking of is that instead of the up and down lines being together in pairs the lines are seperated as fast and slow.. meaning that every movement from slow to fast and vice versa causes a conflict with an oncoming line
 

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question... how much does the track layout of the MML cause capacity issues? what I'm thinking of is that instead of the up and down lines being together in pairs the lines are seperated as fast and slow.. meaning that every movement from slow to fast and vice versa causes a conflict with an oncoming line

I can only say that over the years , the timetabling planning has allowed for this , the signal persons at West Hampstead (doffs caps to them ..) , and the drivers work in perfect harmony with them. I jest not - I have heard CSR conversations between the panel and drivers , suggesting a late running 319 could be put out fast line "if you do not let me down" .....

The assets , to quote an ex TLK timetable planner were "sweated" and optimised. Having banner repeaters such as on the up slow at Radlett , and a modicum of other "tweaks" have helped. The 700's of course add another dimension in acceleration. A down fast call at SAC sees the rear cars doing a good 70+ as they leave on clear aspects.

Just thinking about my comments the other day about a rewrite of the St Pancras HL platform utilisation - there has to be something here , with the new electric Corby's capable of more efficient working and more capacity - allowing hopefully some EMT's or successor to reduce 4 or 5 car working on "slow" Nottinghams.
 

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question... how much does the track layout of the MML cause capacity issues? what I'm thinking of is that instead of the up and down lines being together in pairs the lines are seperated as fast and slow.. meaning that every movement from slow to fast and vice versa causes a conflict with an oncoming line
The layout of tracks, at least south of Bedford, is the result of some 150 years of history. When the 'London Extension' was first built the Midland Railway could afford the land for 4 tracks but had insufficient money to build all four tracks, so they built the existing 'Fast' lines on the west side of the line. As traffic developed they first started adding an 'Up slow' line at least as far as St Albans; goods trains, especially coal trains, were queued up on this line and fed onto the up fast as other passenger traffic permitted. By 1892 they had started expanding to four tracks, and as soon as the second Elstree tunnel was opened and track laid through it from St Albans southwards these became the 'Slow' lines in 1894. (Hence the building of the present St Albans South box in 1892 in anticipation of the new lines.) In 1906 the goods lines northwards to just north of Harpenden were converted to slow passenger lines with extra platforms built at St Albans and Harpenden. Only around 1960, with the introduction of the then new DMUs, did the goods lines become the slow passenger lines all the way to Bedford.

To convert the existing tracks to paired fast and slow lines as you suggest would need a great deal of resignalling. I am uncertain that there would any additional advantages that expensive alteration would bring about. The existing turnback siding between the slow lines north of St Albans City station would also be rendered useless.

I think the controlling factor is the limited terminus facilities that St Pancras has for the trains to Sheffield, Nottingham and Derby etc.
 

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The layout of tracks, at least south of Bedford, is the result of some 150 years of history. When the 'London Extension' was first built the Midland Railway could afford the land for 4 tracks but had insufficient money to build all four tracks, so they built the existing 'Fast' lines on the west side of the line. As traffic developed they first started adding an 'Up slow' line at least as far as St Albans; goods trains, especially coal trains, were queued up on this line and fed onto the up fast as other passenger traffic permitted. By 1892 they had started expanding to four tracks, and as soon as the second Elstree tunnel was opened and track laid through it from St Albans southwards these became the 'Slow' lines in 1894. (Hence the building of the present St Albans South box in 1892 in anticipation of the new lines.) In 1906 the goods lines northwards to just north of Harpenden were converted to slow passenger lines with extra platforms built at St Albans and Harpenden. Only around 1960, with the introduction of the then new DMUs, did the goods lines become the slow passenger lines all the way to Bedford.

To convert the existing tracks to paired fast and slow lines as you suggest would need a great deal of resignalling. I am uncertain that there would any additional advantages that expensive alteration would bring about. The existing turnback siding between the slow lines north of St Albans City station would also be rendered useless.

I think the controlling factor is the limited terminus facilities that St Pancras has for the trains to Sheffield, Nottingham and Derby etc.
thankyou for that detailed history of the track layout... as a Lutonian born and bred I'm shocked that it was as late as 1960 that all 4 lines were brought into full use for passengers!
 

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thankyou for that detailed history of the track layout... as a Lutonian born and bred I'm shocked that it was as late as 1960 that all 4 lines were brought into full use for passengers!

Such was the density of coal traffic in particular southbound to London (and the return empty wagons of course for Toton and beyond) - the Midland Railway did run a quite credible competitive passenger service to Derby and well beyond , and one has to respect the signalmen of the day to manage this , in the teeth of very heavy freight flows. Of course the "suburban" services only really took off in the early 20thC (think of the posh bits of Harpenden and St Albans !) , but to a far lesser degree of crowding than in the post diesel and electrification era.

The LMS seriously considered electrification of the suburban services to at least Harpenden , pre WW2 , which would almost certainly involved some resignalling - though not to the extent of say the Southern in the Wimbledon and Streatham areas where fly-overs and power signalling were put in. (to some extent)

And then , some clown got a letter published in Modern Railways circa 1986 - which bemoaned the inefficiency of 4 tracks to Bedford - and all 4 wired at 25kV ........:rolleyes:
 

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Yes they would be the prime commercial contributor (track access charges) - with up to 15 tph in the peak , a much higher carriages in service total and of course being the head lessee of all stations south of Bedford.
I suspected that TL would be the major payee of access charges on the first 50 miles of the MML and for the benefit of those who think that users of EM services are treated unfairly, they should just look at the numbers of TL passengers that are carried south of Bedford. As many trains as possible are run at maximum length and at times carry well over 1000 passengers each. Four-car class222s are quite wasteful of precious paths and despite the multiplicity of destinations at the country ends of their travels, there must be some opportunities to consolidate similar requirements into longer trains running on the limited paths available.
Clearly, the sheer volume of passengers travelling to/from St Albans require fast-line stops and if there was any viable means of providing a passing loop here, there would have been proposals in recent years. The problem is that spare (affordable) land for additional trackage in St Albans is like hens teeth and attempts to establish an out of the city 'parkway' station seem to get nowhere.
 

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Other lines seem to manage terminus dwell times of under half an hour - the SE platforms at St Pancras are a great example - but the MML currently has various different lengths of 222 plus the HSTs - with one type of self powered train, maximised on platform lengths at St Pancras plus some eight/twelve coach EMUs for Corby, much faster turnarounds would be possible (e.g. a Sheffield arrival could go back north to Nottingham rather than the current set-up).

Look at how the WCML can have quicker turnaround times at Euston (despite the much longer journeys), because a southbound Manchester service can become a northbound Glasgow service.

I would have found a way.
While the platform use before was underused, giving MML just 4 firmly put it in the relms of Chiltern or the Norwich routes rather than the East or West coast it's trying to be

Who says that the MML is trying to be the ECML/ WCML?

(other than some nostalgia for the fact that it was branded InterCity once upon a time)

With the exception of Sheffield, the majority of MML trade has more in common with services from London to Norwich (or Portsmouth/ Bournemouth etc) than the majority of WCML/ECML destinations (Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, Edinburgh, Glasgow etc).

The MML doesn't need restaurant services and the same bells/whistles that the main two lines north have - it's not as high profile - much as I might like the city I live in to be on a prime route, it's a b-list route (and the curves mean it'll never be proper competition from London to Leeds or Manchester).

I've no delusions of grandeur about my local line.
 

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I got the feeling it was all about Eurostar and giving Eurostar what they wanted at the detriment to the MML, which was effectively turfed out of it's home and stuck in a side shed.
So where would you put it?
The station has to be as long as it is to accommodate Eurostars, so if EMT was in the Barlow Shed, there'd be 4 x 200m of plain track after the end of the platforms. What would be the point? It's just spending money for no reason.
You can't put EMT & SET side by side because either EMT would have to cross HS1 (more expensive complicated trackwork) or SET would be between EMT & E* which would mean pushing the EMT platforms further west and building across Midland Road, which would not be acceptable to the residents of the flats there.
Oh, and the work required if you had platforms outside the main shed at the south end would again cause problems with the fabric of the building, giving you the headache of dealing with English Heritage again.
Just like continuing the arched roof of the original shed wasn't looked at either. Instead, we now have some sort of flat roof extension that looks like it's come out the 1980s :P
Part of the Grade I listing means that views of the building have to be unobstructed from places like Primrose Hill.
 

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I got the feeling it was all about Eurostar and giving Eurostar what they wanted at the detriment to the MML, which was effectively turfed out of it's home and stuck in a side shed.

Ah. A feeling. But not involved, I guess.


question... how much does the track layout of the MML cause capacity issues? what I'm thinking of is that instead of the up and down lines being together in pairs the lines are seperated as fast and slow.. meaning that every movement from slow to fast and vice versa causes a conflict with an oncoming line

It doesn’t, at least not compared to a paired by direction layout, as the London end is paired by use (TL down the tunnels, EMT into ST P)
 

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It doesn’t, at least not compared to a paired by direction layout, as the London end is paired by use (TL down the tunnels, EMT into ST P)
Except they're not... south of Kentish Town there are 6 tracks... 4 for St Pancras and 2 leading down to the Thameslink tunnels. However a train travelling north and running fast to St Albans will more than likely be put onto the fast tracks resulting in the train crossing 3 tracks {2 of which are of a conflicting flow -are for travelling in opposite direction.} As there are up to 6 trains an hr in each direction making this manouvre this must represent a significant impact on the effeciency and therefore capacity of the line.
 

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Is there space to get from STP to the West Coast (there may already be a link, not sure?).

I think there is a link through Camden Road, but I don't think it's suitable for anything more than occasional use and I doubt there's room to do anything about it.

I got the feeling it was all about Eurostar and giving Eurostar what they wanted at the detriment to the MML, which was effectively turfed out of it's home and stuck in a side shed.

Yup. Ruining the Midland's London terminus for the benefit of a nugatory 20 minute speed increase on an upstart white elephant that already had a London terminus, for no better reason than that nobody was able to ignore stupid comments in the media about how "backwards" and "unfit for the 21st century" the existing setup was. (Or refute them, but people who use those idiotic and meaningless phrases to argue for anything are best ignored.)

I watched the documentary about it; I see how emotional the architect got.

He only wanted to join the Masons...

The trouble with architects is not so much that their ideas about what's good and what isn't are totally whacked, but that in contrast to many professions which share that characteristic their whacked ideas are played out in public on a large scale for all to see, so it actually matters. I don't care how many architectural awards something wins; if it's rubbish it's still rubbish, and architects are not competent to judge.

So where would you put it?

I wouldn't. I'd have left it at Waterloo. Or if it absolutely had to go somewhere else, then underground like the original idea.

And definitely not somewhere that causes the Midland platforms to be moved so far away from the Underground station that you practically need an Aldwychesque shuttle built to join them up.

Oh, and the work required if you had platforms outside the main shed at the south end would again cause problems with the fabric of the building, giving you the headache of dealing with English Heritage again.

Shame that wasn't enough of a headache to stop them chopping dirty great holes in the floor of the station. One of the good features of the Barlow roof was the elegant use of tension members under the floor to tie the bottoms of the arches together and avoid the difficulty of trying to absorb the lateral thrust via the foundations. Now they've replaced an elegant engineering solution with a bodge based on brute force and ignorance, to enable them to get away with spoiling another aspect of the station as well.

Part of the Grade I listing means that views of the building have to be unobstructed from places like Primrose Hill.

What, and not have a great big petrol station canopy obscuring half of it?
 

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I wonder if the space underneath (IE, where the shops are) would have held a train quite nicely.
At a sacrifice for the shops and problems perhaps with ventilation but at a guess, the idea was never explored more than that.
But then again, if that was the plan, maybe electrification would have gone ahead to get the diesels out solving the main problem.
Because we should remember, electification of the line will happen, it's just a case of when.
 

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I wouldn't. I'd have left it at Waterloo. Or if it absolutely had to go somewhere else, then underground like the original idea.

And definitely not somewhere that causes the Midland platforms to be moved so far away from the Underground station that you practically need an Aldwychesque shuttle built to join them up.
And leave Midland Mainline services rattling around in an empty cavern that was falling down around their ears?
Shame that wasn't enough of a headache to stop them chopping dirty great holes in the floor of the station. One of the good features of the Barlow roof was the elegant use of tension members under the floor to tie the bottoms of the arches together and avoid the difficulty of trying to absorb the lateral thrust via the foundations. Now they've replaced an elegant engineering solution with a bodge based on brute force and ignorance, to enable them to get away with spoiling another aspect of the station as well.
That's how it still works. What other support is there?
What, and not have a great big petrol station canopy obscuring half of it?
But it doesn't, because its flat.
 

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Except they're not... south of Kentish Town there are 6 tracks... 4 for St Pancras and 2 leading down to the Thameslink tunnels. However a train travelling north and running fast to St Albans will more than likely be put onto the fast tracks resulting in the train crossing 3 tracks {2 of which are of a conflicting flow -are for travelling in opposite direction.} As there are up to 6 trains an hr in each direction making this manouvre this must represent a significant impact on the effeciency and therefore capacity of the line.

Err, what?

There are 2 main running lines to/from St P high level from the MML, plus a reversible slow line about a mile long, and a reversible relief line about a 3/4 of a mile long, both through Kentish Town. These are used to terminate trains at Kentish Town or as a loop to hold EMT empty trains as they head to and from Cricklewood. There are not 4 running lines throughout.

A layout where the MML was paired by direction (DDUU) would need a flyover at Dock Junction to work. Otherwise ALL TL trains out of the tunnel would have to cross ALL trains going to St P high level. It would also present difficulties at West Hampstead, St Albans, Luton and Bedford, where TL trains terminate and need to head back south.
 

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It would also present difficulties at West Hampstead, St Albans, Luton and Bedford, where TL trains terminate and need to head back south.
It would also need many track realignments at stations and platform rebuildings to avoid a speed restriction for Up fast trains on what is now the Down Slow. Most of the stations are designed so the Fast lines are straight and the slows dogleg to make room for the central platform. It might even be necesssary to change some stations to having two islands instead of two side platforms and a central island.

Having the slows in the middle would make it easier to turn back Thameslink short workings but would make the above problem worse.
 

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Err, what?

There are 2 main running lines to/from St P high level from the MML, plus a reversible slow line about a mile long, and a reversible relief line about a 3/4 of a mile long, both through Kentish Town. These are used to terminate trains at Kentish Town or as a loop to hold EMT empty trains as they head to and from Cricklewood. There are not 4 running lines throughout.

A layout where the MML was paired by direction (DDUU) would need a flyover at Dock Junction to work. Otherwise ALL TL trains out of the tunnel would have to cross ALL trains going to St P high level. It would also present difficulties at West Hampstead, St Albans, Luton and Bedford, where TL trains terminate and need to head back south.
I think you need to have a look at google maps and check the track layout... as you head south on MML there are the fast tracks on the right and the slows on the left... as you approach Kentish Town Stn the slow lines open out to 4 tracks making a total of 6 tracks... 4 slow and 2 fast.... once past the Stn the tracks split... the 2 slow lines on the left go down to Thameslink whilst the other 4 tracks continue to St Pancras Terminal.

The vast majority of fast/ semi-fast Thameslink trains are routed onto the fast lines for their non-stop run... meaning that at least 6 trains/hr in each direction are routed from the Thameslink lines to the fast lines... involving crossing 3 tracks... 2 of which are conflicting movements in that the lines are operating in the opposite direction
 

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Yup. Ruining the Midland's London terminus for the benefit of a nugatory 20 minute speed increase on an upstart white elephant that already had a London terminus, for no better reason than that nobody was able to ignore stupid comments in the media about how "backwards" and "unfit for the 21st century" the existing setup was. (Or refute them, but people who use those idiotic and meaningless phrases to argue for anything are best ignored.)

Tell that to passengers in Kent whose services used to be hamstrung to give Eurostar paths a clean run, e.g.

Kent express trains looped at Headcorn for 10 minutes in the evening peak

Half-hourly Orpington-Victoria stoppers, not like the 4tph today.

No way of providing extra SWML platform capacity at Waterloo in future

Etc etc etc...

I wouldn't. I'd have left it at Waterloo. Or if it absolutely had to go somewhere else, then underground like the original idea.

And definitely not somewhere that causes the Midland platforms to be moved so far away from the Underground station that you practically need an Aldwychesque shuttle built to join them up.

Chances are the development around Stratford wouldn't have happened.

What, and not have a great big petrol station canopy obscuring half of it?

From above ( Primrose Hill) I believe the entirety of the front of the arched roof is visible.
 

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Supposing Grayling and Hammond bumped their heads and woke up with a open chequebook demand that Nottingham gets faster trains.....
Are there any practicable ways/locations to grade separate the slow to fast moves (and back again)?
I am wondering if there are too many different places it happens or that the operationally sensible places to do it are on impossibly constricted stretches of track?
 

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I think you need to have a look at google maps and check the track layout... as you head south on MML there are the fast tracks on the right and the slows on the left... as you approach Kentish Town Stn the slow lines open out to 4 tracks making a total of 6 tracks... 4 slow and 2 fast.... once past the Stn the tracks split... the 2 slow lines on the left go down to Thameslink whilst the other 4 tracks continue to St Pancras Terminal.

The vast majority of fast/ semi-fast Thameslink trains are routed onto the fast lines for their non-stop run... meaning that at least 6 trains/hr in each direction are routed from the Thameslink lines to the fast lines... involving crossing 3 tracks... 2 of which are conflicting movements in that the lines are operating in the opposite direction

I’m sorry, but you need to look again. Preferably at the signalling diagrams (rather than google maps) and the Dectional Appendix. I know the track layout very well having used it daily for getting on for two decades and also had being in the team that resignalled it.

The two middle lines (of 6) through Kentish Town are not ordinary running lines. They are only ever used for trans terminating at Kentish Town (usually from the south), or ECS to/from Cricklewood. Very occasionally they are used for through Thameslink trains, but only then if something has failed at
Kentish Town itself. Also, they not go all the way to St Pancras, they merge back into the UF/DF at Dock Junction South. Therse are the only two running lines into St Pancras high level from the MML.

Thameslink services ex the tunnel heading to the DF (4/hr off peak, 8/hr peak) do not cross two lines operating in the other direction. They cross only one, the Up Fast.
 

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I’m sorry, but you need to look again. Preferably at the signalling diagrams (rather than google maps) and the Dectional Appendix. I know the track layout very well having used it daily for getting on for two decades and also had being in the team that resignalled it.

The two middle lines (of 6) through Kentish Town are not ordinary running lines. They are only ever used for trans terminating at Kentish Town (usually from the south), or ECS to/from Cricklewood. Very occasionally they are used for through Thameslink trains, but only then if something has failed at
Kentish Town itself. Also, they not go all the way to St Pancras, they merge back into the UF/DF at Dock Junction South. Therse are the only two running lines into St Pancras high level from the MML.

Thameslink services ex the tunnel heading to the DF (4/hr off peak, 8/hr peak) do not cross two lines operating in the other direction. They cross only one, the Up Fast.
hmm... well the 4 lines originally went all the way to St Pancras, so if the slow lines now merge into the fast lines south of Kentish Town then that is just another failing of HS1/ Thameslink programmes in that instead of alleviating bottlenecks they have increased the number by 1! As to your assertion that the conflict is only on one line.... well it's still a conflict isn't it? ok so the current is 4tph/ off peak 8 tph peak... but it is envisaged once the Thameslink programme is completed there will be at least 6 tph fast off peak, with, I presume, a corresponding increase in the peak service.. however, even going with 8tph that is, on average, a conflict every 7.5 minutes.... how long must the conflicted line be blockaded before and after the Thameslink train has manouvred a minute before and 30 secs after passing? so for every 7.5 mins the route south into St Pancras is unavailable for 1.5 mins or to put it another way the up fast is unavailable for use for 20% of the time.. that must impact on the number of trains EMT can run into St Pancras!
 

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hmm... well the 4 lines originally went all the way to St Pancras, so if the slow lines now merge into the fast lines south of Kentish Town then that is just another failing of HS1/ Thameslink programmes in that instead of alleviating bottlenecks they have increased the number by 1! As to your assertion that the conflict is only on one line.... well it's still a conflict isn't it? ok so the current is 4tph/ off peak 8 tph peak... but it is envisaged once the Thameslink programme is completed there will be at least 6 tph fast off peak, with, I presume, a corresponding increase in the peak service.. however, even going with 8tph that is, on average, a conflict every 7.5 minutes.... how long must the conflicted line be blockaded before and after the Thameslink train has manouvred a minute before and 30 secs after passing? so for every 7.5 mins the route south into St Pancras is unavailable for 1.5 mins or to put it another way the up fast is unavailable for use for 20% of the time.. that must impact on the number of trains EMT can run into St Pancras!

As no passenger trains from the Slow Lines go to St Pancras High Level, I don't understand how the lack of two slow lines into St Pancras constitutes a bottleneck.
 

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As no passenger trains from the Slow Lines go to St Pancras High Level, I don't understand how the lack of two slow lines into St Pancras constitutes a bottleneck.
simple maths really... if there are 2 lines into/ out of St Pancras that means 2 trains can operate at the same time... by forcing all trains leaving St Pancras to use one line until they get to Kentish Town automatically reduces the potential capacity between KT and StP by half!
 

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simple maths really... if there are 2 lines into/ out of St Pancras that means 2 trains can operate at the same time... by forcing all trains leaving St Pancras to use one line until they get to Kentish Town automatically reduces the potential capacity between KT and StP by half!

But they're effectively only on one line each way anyway north of Kentish Town. Having a second line south of there doesn't add any further capacity, as the capacity defining section is north of Kentish Town/Carlton Rd.
 

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But they're effectively only on one line each way anyway north of Kentish Town. Having a second line south of there doesn't add any further capacity, as the capacity defining section is north of Kentish Town/Carlton Rd.
you're wrong... north of KT there are 2 lines available in each direction... fast and slow... just because trains to St P don't use the slow lines doesn't mean that they aren't able to!
 
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