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TanBoycheva

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Hello, i had an absurd situation happening and the stupidity is all on me. I found a 60+ travel oyster card on the street and instead of returning it to TFL i used it for the past week and a half / two weeks so i can go to work because i’m struggling badly financially. Obviously i got stopped by ticket inspector and he took my details. I panicked badly since nothing like this ever happened to me and first thought it came to my head is to lie so i gave him my old address and one of the flatmates name who still lives there. It took me matter of few minutes to realise how messed up that was but i was even more scared to confess so he wrote everything down and let me go. Now an hour later i am eaten by guilt and embarrassment and i am afraid i might get prosecuted and bring to court. Please i need some advice how to handle this situation and if i contact TFL and admit everything am i still risking to be prosecuted ?
 
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Considering you have committed theft and possibly fraud as well then yes, there is a risk of prosecution, or at least a risk of potential prosecution of the poor innocent person you have dropped in it.
 

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Hello, i had an absurd situation happening and the stupidity is all on me. I found a 60+ travel oyster card on the street and instead of returning it to TFL i used it for the past week and a half / two weeks so i can go to work because i’m struggling badly financially. Obviously i got stopped by ticket inspector and he took my details. I panicked badly since nothing like this ever happened to me and first thought it came to my head is to lie so i gave him my old address and one of the flatmates name who still lives there. It took me matter of few minutes to realise how messed up that was but i was even more scared to confess so he wrote everything down and let me go. Now an hour later i am eaten by guilt and embarrassment and i am afraid i might get prosecuted and bring to court. Please i need some advice how to handle this situation and if i contact TFL and admit everything am i still risking to be prosecuted ?
Welcome to the forum.

To start with about the best news from this: you won't be going to prison for this.

But otherwise the news isn't good: TfL will almost certainly want to prosecute you and you will have to pay a fine.

Having said all of which, if you possibly can, try and relax. TfL won't be sending anyone out to look for you tonight, so try and get a good night's sleep: it won't feel so awful in the morning.
 

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Welcome to the forum.

To start with about the best news from this: you won't be going to prison for this.

But otherwise the news isn't good: TfL will almost certainly want to prosecute you and you will have to pay a fine.

Having said all of which, if you possibly can, try and relax. TfL won't be sending anyone out to look for you tonight, so try and get a good night's sleep: it won't feel so awful in the morning

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Hello and thank you for the advice. I feel like longer i let it be in the time worse is gonna get. Obviously prosecution is something i am afraid happening cause that can affect my job and future employments. Obviously should have thought about that earlier but as i said panicking and acting stupid led me here so my point is do i just try to contact them first thing in the morning and confess everything so the person’s name i gave won’t get contacted. I think even if i leave in the time one way or another they will find my real name and address and it won’t end well.
 

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Can you go back to the station and speak to this ticket inspector? Before the paper work is sent off to TfL?
Otherwise I’d expect it’s going to be difficult to locate you in the system…
 

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Can you go back to the station and speak to this ticket inspector? Before the paper work is sent off to TfL?
Otherwise I’d expect it’s going to be difficult to locate you in the system…
Unfortunately that happened in the afternoon i assume he’s long time gone by now. Do you think if i let it be they would somehow find my details and prosecute me? I mean i get that there’s no going away from prosecution from what i’ve been told. The only thing they don’t have is my real name and my current address which I’m not registered to anyway. I was thinking that now that I learned my lesson and i’d never go down that road again maybe i can dodge the bullet or is it perhaps trying to avoid the inevitable?
 

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Unfortunately that happened in the afternoon i assume he’s long time gone by now. Do you think if i let it be they would somehow find my details and prosecute me? I mean i get that there’s no going away from prosecution from what i’ve been told. The only thing they don’t have is my real name and my current address which I’m not registered to anyway. I was thinking that now that I learned my lesson and i’d never go down that road again maybe i can dodge the bullet or is it perhaps trying to avoid the inevitable?
You need to expect that one way or another TfL will find you. You won't be the first person to give false details, and they will have techniques to find you.

Although it's not the advice we usually give, my feeling is that you would do well to talk to a solicitor. That won't be cheap (think £800 or so) but they may be able to get TfL to get your real details on to the right report. There are three or so firms which are often quoted on this forum so a search may bring them up, so you could contact them in the next few days.
 

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You need to expect that one way or another TfL will find you. You won't be the first person to give false details, and they will have techniques to find you.

Although it's not the advice we usually give, my feeling is that you would do well to talk to a solicitor. That won't be cheap (think £800 or so) but they may be able to get TfL to get your real details on to the right report. There are three or so firms which are often quoted on this forum so a search may bring them up, so you could contact them in the next few days.
Ohhh that is great, but unfortunately i can’t afford it, only if i had those money in my account i surely wouldn’t be in this position on a first place. I guess i have to go between contacting TFL explaining everything and get prosecuted or wait and hope for a miracle which from what you telling me rarely or almost never happens.
 

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Unfortunately that happened in the afternoon i assume he’s long time gone by now. Do you think if i let it be they would somehow find my details and prosecute me? I mean i get that there’s no going away from prosecution from what i’ve been told. The only thing they don’t have is my real name and my current address which I’m not registered to anyway. I was thinking that now that I learned my lesson and i’d never go down that road again maybe i can dodge the bullet or is it perhaps trying to avoid the inevitable?
What you need to understand is you have not committed a ticketing offence. Finding, keeping and using some stranger's pass is theft. That is a proper criminal offence. This could be passed to the police for a potential prosecution. They might not pass it to the police but it is also very unlikely they will just say 'Oh dear, we can't find him. Let's go onto the next case'.
 

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What you need to understand is you have not committed a ticketing offence. Finding, keeping and using some stranger's pass is theft. That is a proper criminal offence. This could be passed to the police for a potential prosecution. They might not pass it to the police but it is also very unlikely they will just say 'Oh dear, we can't find him. Let's go onto the next case'.
So what do you think i should do in that case so i would make somehow the things better or there is nothing to be done and i should just wait for them to find my details and prosecute me?
 

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You need to expect that one way or another TfL will find you. You won't be the first person to give false details, and they will have techniques to find you.
I mean, the morals of this case aside- in this situation I can’t think of any realistic way of TFL finding out who OP is.
 

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So, nobody actually took the OP’s details? How would they be detected, then? Just before we tell them to take a course of action which will almost certainly see them prosecuted.

The old flatmate should certainly be made aware by the OP and I advise them to do this, but it’s up to them if they want to drop the OP in it, not us.
 

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So what do you think i should do in that case so i would make somehow the things better or there is nothing to be done and i should just wait for them to find my details and prosecute me?
You claimed you are being eaten by guilt so the very minimum you should do is contact TfL and give them your details so some unfortunate person whose only crime was crossing your path in the past doesn't get a call from the police.
 

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You claimed you are being eaten by guilt so the very minimum you should do is contact TfL and give them your details so some unfortunate person whose only crime was crossing your path in the past doesn't get a call from the police.
The police aren’t getting involved. What will happen is TfL will write to the flatmate and they will simply say - as we would advise - “it wasn’t me”. And that’s the end of it.
 

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The police aren’t getting involved. What will happen is TfL will write to the flatmate and they will simply say - as we would advise - “it wasn’t me”. And that’s the end of it.
It's that easy is it? Just do a Shaggy and everything is OK.
 

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It's that easy is it? Just do a Shaggy and everything is OK.
Yes it’s that easy, as evidenced by people who come here many times having had their details given wrongly, and just say, truthfully, it wasn’t them. The train company has no idea who they stopped.
 

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Yes it’s that easy, as evidenced by people who come here many times having had their details given wrongly, and just say, truthfully, it wasn’t them. The train company has no idea who they stopped.
What does occur to me is that TfL are known to actively check CCTV and wait at the barrier line for suspected offenders. What I don’t know is whether they use a similar approach when it turns out that they have been given incorrect details. But because I don't know, I can't discount the possibility.
 

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Yes it’s that easy, as evidenced by people who come here many times having had their details given wrongly, and just say, truthfully, it wasn’t them. The train company has no idea who they stopped.
How could you possibly know that? Even if they do immediately take the innocent person's word for it, which they quite possibly won't especially if the offence is towards the more serious end of the scale, they certainly wouldn't tell them they are just dropping it and not going after the real offender.
 

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I would also suggest that the actual owner of the Pass could be a route to somebody in this scenario.

The "found it in the street" explanation is often given. It may be the case, but I would suspect that for every Pass "found in the street" there's at least a hundred other cases where the Pass is from an individual known to the offender.
 
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I would also suggest that the actual owner of the Pass could be a route to somebody in this scenario.

The "found it in the street" explanation is often given. It may be the case, but I would suspect that for every Pass "found in the street" there's at least a hundred other cases where the Pass is from an individual known to the offender.
While I do not disagree with what you are saying, we can only advise based on what the OP has told us happened. If they have not provided us the full or correct version of events they will have to accept that we may not be providing the best advice.

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What does occur to me is that TfL are known to actively check CCTV and wait at the barrier line for suspected offenders. What I don’t know is whether they use a similar approach when it turns out that they have been given incorrect details. But because I don't know, I can't discount the possibility.
It is also possible that the person the OP said he was could be provided with the evidence that TFL have if this is being taken to court. If this includes bodycam or CCTV footage, they would presumably recognise the OP
 
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How could you possibly know that? Even if they do immediately take the innocent person's word for it, which they quite possibly won't especially if the offence is towards the more serious end of the scale, they certainly wouldn't tell them they are just dropping it and not going after the real offender.
That is exactly what happens. It is up to the train company to prove who was stopped and they will have no evidence to the contrary if they didn’t ID the person at the time. We see this all the time on the forum.

Very often, because the company has not identified who was stopped, the matter simply has to be closed because there is no evidence.

The OP has been very naughty indeed. People in this part of the forum do sometimes like to moralise which can lead them to invent ideas like the police coming after you for theft (won’t happen here) or, somehow, they will monitor CCTV (constantly?) to see if your grainy features match up with some random person they stopped, likely many weeks after it happened (!). But those things don’t happen and we don’t live in that world; advising the OP to immediately dob themselves in might make one feel better but it isn’t in the OP’s interests to do this when the outcome is inevitably to be prosecuted and fined.

So the question here is “what is in the OP’s interests?” Given what we know, it is to simply leave the matter alone and not contact TfL begging to be prosecuted, although I do think they might like to let the old flatmate know they gave their details. But they don’t *have* to do this either.


What does occur to me is that TfL are known to actively check CCTV and wait at the barrier line for suspected offenders. What I don’t know is whether they use a similar approach when it turns out that they have been given incorrect details. But because I don't know, I can't discount the possibility.
TfL do this with people who are habitual offenders who travel on a set commute and arrive at the station at say, 8am. They already know who these people are because they are committing offences and already have intelligence on them. That’s the important part.

None of this applies to the OP; the only thing they have is a low quality video, and they might not even have that after several weeks. The OP might want to lie low and not use that station for a bit, but the chances of this coming back to bite them are virtually nil. As I often say, we don’t live in the panopticon.
 

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I totally agree with alter ego here. My advice was only proffered as the incident was eating away at them with guilt and embarrassment and going back would have ensured the embarrassment wouldn’t happen. The ‘friend’ who gets the correspondence will have to deal with that but if they say it wasn’t them there is little that TfL can do

The inspector who has stopped you will likely stop hundreds of people a day and is now unlikely to recognise you, and also unlikely to know in the future you have given false information.

So if you can live with the guilt and embarrassment I’d carry on your normal life, and hope nothing comes of it
 

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he inspector who has stopped you will likely stop hundreds of people a day and is now unlikely to recognise you, and also unlikely to know in the future you have given false information.

So if you can live with the guilt and embarrassment I’d carry on your normal life, and hope nothing comes of it
I'm not sure I agree with this, so if OP takes this advice to carry on as normal, I would modify it a bit to make sure they always pay the right fare. If they are picked up fare dodging again, they might find that the inspector's memory is better than @tonycockram thinks it will be - and the best way not to be picked up for fare dodging is not to dodge the fare.
 

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That is exactly what happens. It is up to the train company to prove who was stopped and they will have no evidence to the contrary if they didn’t ID the person at the time. We see this all the time on the forum.

Very often, because the company has not identified who was stopped, the matter simply has to be closed because there is no evidence.

The OP has been very naughty indeed. People in this part of the forum do sometimes like to moralise which can lead them to invent ideas like the police coming after you for theft (won’t happen here) or, somehow, they will monitor CCTV (constantly?) to see if your grainy features match up with some random person they stopped, likely many weeks after it happened (!). But those things don’t happen and we don’t live in that world; advising the OP to immediately dob themselves in might make one feel better but it isn’t in the OP’s interests to do this when the outcome is inevitably to be prosecuted and fined.

So the question here is “what is in the OP’s interests?” Given what we know, it is to simply leave the matter alone and not contact TfL begging to be prosecuted, although I do think they might like to let the old flatmate know they gave their details. But they don’t *have* to do this either.



TfL do this with people who are habitual offenders who travel on a set commute and arrive at the station at say, 8am. They already know who these people are because they are committing offences and already have intelligence on them. That’s the important part.

None of this applies to the OP; the only thing they have is a low quality video, and they might not even have that after several weeks. The OP might want to lie low and not use that station for a bit, but the chances of this coming back to bite them are virtually nil. As I often say, we don’t live in the panopticon.
Just to add TFL are likely to be waiting for people whose Oyster card usage they are tracking in real time and who have dodged paying for more than 2 weeks travel
The dodgers on the TV program have avoided thousands. It is not really cost effective to employ 2 people to catch up with someone who has avoided £100
 
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