Possible incident at Stoke-on-Trent

[IanPooleTrains]

Was at Stoke after doing some spotting at Stockport getting a proper B5 and a Jubilee working together, went to Stoke for a bit of spotting and saw the 16:12 Piccadilly - Euston train being held up.

Driver got out after about five minutes and limped (that is being polite to him) up to the other end to see what was going on.

It looked like someone had lost something under the train but security looked like they got involved as well.

Train left down 16 minutes but didn't delay trains behind it, anyone know of anything happening with this train?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Disruptive passengers I think.

(this is 1A51, 1612 ex Stoke On Trent?)

 

[wensley]

Disruptive passengers I think.

(this is 1A51, 1612 ex Stoke On Trent?)

Yep, that would appear to be the problem!

 

[Mr Spock]

I keep reading that rubbish at the bottom of your posts about 44932, well all right thinking people know what it is - a BLACK FIVE.

Mind you I am pretty sure that Tangmere is not one!!!

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Disruptive passengers I think.

(this is 1A51, 1612 ex Stoke On Trent?)

That's the train!

 

[ralphchadkirk]

That's the train!

Delay was put down to disruptive passengers then.

 

[Ibex]

It was a drunken male who was in need of removal.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

It was a drunken male who was in need of removal.

Hence why security was involved

Don't you think it is about time that train staff took the lead of airport terminal staff here?

Now we don't know if he was drunk before or during the train but if he was drunk before, is there not a point that train staff should say that they are not going to be allowed on if they are intoxicated/until they have sobered up?

 

[miked]

Hence why security was involved
Now we don't know if he was drunk before or during the train but if he was drunk before, is there not a point that train staff should say that they are not going to be allowed on if they are intoxicated/until they have sobered up?

i agree, on the 10.30 Bham-Euston this morning there was Bham FC fans travelling down, and they were really loud, and i was stuck at the end of couch A with them as the train was pretty full, i wasn't to bothered but i don't think the other passengers enjoyed the football chants to much, and there was no train manager seen all the way to Euston.

 

[Ibex]

Hence why security was involved

Don't you think it is about time that train staff took the lead of airport terminal staff here?

Now we don't know if he was drunk before or during the train but if he was drunk before, is there not a point that train staff should say that they are not going to be allowed on if they are intoxicated/until they have sobered up?

Hmm in theory it's a great idea, but in reality it just wouldn't work. There are plenty of places in airports they can stop you boarding a flight, mainly at passport control and security etc. These facilities being non-existant at railway stations just make it impossible to keep drunks off the railway, especially at stations like Stoke where any old riff raff is free to wander in. Booking office staff are hardly going to abandon ship just to chase a drunk person out.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Hmm in theory it's a great idea, but in reality it just wouldn't work. There are plenty of places in airports they can stop you boarding a flight, mainly at passport control and security etc. These facilities being non-existant at railway stations just make it impossible to keep drunks off the railway, especially at stations like Stoke where any old riff raff is free to wander in. Booking office staff are hardly going to abandon ship just to chase a drunk person out.

And I agree with you but let's say that this guy got on at Manchester Piccadilly, we don't know that he did but especially at big terminal stations, would this not seem like a good idea?

 

[Ibex]

Well with the amount of BTP swanning around these stations you would think that they'd pick up on a lot of it these days, but unfortunatly they'll never be able to stop every single person who's had a few too many. Then again all they're doing it moving the problem elsewhere, if there was a stronger visibility on the train then you'd hope the drunkies would be well behaved until they got to their destination.

I think it's also worth remembering that the drunken idiots are a minority and a lot of people are only going out with the intention to have some fun, and then of course have to get home after that fun.

 

[O L Leigh]

I boarded a train at Glasgow Central yesterday morning and didn't have to deal with any staff until after we'd left. Likewise there was no-one at Euston when we arrived. Even at major terminal stations there isn't always someone to check.

Mind you, I could have been pleasantly steamed on arrival if I'd had a drink off the trolley each time it came past.

O L Leigh

 

[142094]

Even if you banned alcohol on all trains, people would still be able to smuggle it on board. I've been on dry trains with BTP present, once they did an initial check and went to stand in the vestibule, cue 4 packs out of rucksacks and bottles from bags. Plus imagine all that nice revenue the cafe bar would lose!

 

[1V53]

i agree, on the 10.30 Bham-Euston this morning there was Bham FC fans travelling down, and they were really loud, and i was stuck at the end of couch A with them as the train was pretty full, i wasn't to bothered but i don't think the other passengers enjoyed the football chants to much, and there was no train manager seen all the way to Euston.

So you ban them from getting on because they are chanting? Who exactly should do this? Otherwise once on what is the train manager supposed to do? Kick them off single handedly for being noisy? Sometimes you have to manage the situation by living and letting live and 'managing' the situation by not doing anything. If we called the police to deal with every group of rowdy football fans the trains would grind to a halt on a Saturday. I know that isn't ideal but ultimately it's not illegal to sing and chant football songs.

 

[185]

Virgin Trains have a written policy encouraging staff to make their own decision in removing passengers that are causing trouble, violent or dangerous to staff or other travellers.

A certain other sc**bag train company sacks staff for making that decision. Not saying who though

Oh, wait.....

 

[IanPooleTrains]

A certain other sc**bag train company sacks staff for making that decision. Not saying who though

Oh, wait.....

Would that company start with either Cross or Arriva and end in either Country or Trains Wales?

 

[12CSVT]

So you ban them from getting on because they are chanting? Who exactly should do this? Otherwise once on what is the train manager supposed to do? Kick them off single handedly for being noisy? Sometimes you have to manage the situation by living and letting live and 'managing' the situation by not doing anything. If we called the police to deal with every group of rowdy football fans the trains would grind to a halt on a Saturday. I know that isn't ideal but ultimately it's not illegal to sing and chant football songs.

It might not be illegal under criminal law but it is under railway byelaws if it is causing a nuisance to other passengers. Perhaps if the police DID take action against every group of football yobs, they would soon get the message that they can't get away with making life hell for other passengers.

And under the byelaws railway staff have the right to refuse entry to stations and trains, anybody deemed to be in an unfit state to travel as a result of being drunk.

 

[ainsworth74]

Would that company start with either Cross or Arriva and end in either Country or Trains Wales?

Actually from what I've heard on here (I think) 185 might be referring to a company that starts with Trans features Express at the end and has Pennine in the middle.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

Actually from what I've heard on here (I think) 185 might be referring to a company that starts with Trans features Express at the end and has Pennine in the middle.

I quite like FTP, think they are a good honest little company

Apart from the fact that every single time I travel on them, the journey seems cursed(!)

 

[miked]

It might not be illegal under criminal law but it is under railway byelaws if it is causing a nuisance to other passengers. Perhaps if the police DID take action against every group of football yobs, they would soon get the message that they can't get away with making life hell for other passengers.

And under the byelaws railway staff have the right to refuse entry to stations and trains, anybody deemed to be in an unfit state to travel as a result of being drunk.

9 times out of 10 theres normally BTP by the barriers aswell at New Street at weekends, so they must have let them pass aswell, it didn't bother me at all as they were quite funny, but im sure the parents weren't impressed with the language they were coming out with. and there was quite a few dirty looks when we stopped at Coventry and MKC, and they said started singing so people wouldn't come to that end of the carriage.

 

[Bellwater]

These facilities being non-existant at railway stations just make it impossible to keep drunks off the railway, especially at stations like Stoke where any old riff raff is free to wander in.

And they usually do at Stoke :roll:

I quite like FTP, think they are a good honest little company

When they Cancel Trains and lie about the reason they are cancelled, i don't think they are.

 

[IanPooleTrains]

When they Cancel Trains and lie about the reason they are cancelled, i don't think they are.

Well, i can't speak for that because they have never done that when I have been on a train. They have always been honest like the time when we went up

When we went up, there was signalling problems at Dewsbury and the guard was honest, told us we were going on a signal by signal basis until we were in the clear. Sure we arrived at York half an hour late and missed out on TWO Grand Central Valentas but at least they told us the truth

 

[Bellwater]

If it's coming from the Traincrew it will be honest.

If it comes from higher up it won't, such as taking units out for maintenance and telling their staff to lie why their train is a replacement bus.

 

[185]

As they say on Hot Fuzz.... "What 'e said" )

The amount of nights I spent in a taxi from York to Manchester in 2009 was just silly. Good thing is, the DfT accidentally found out, but whether or not they do anything about it remains to be seen.

 

[RichmondCommu]

i agree, on the 10.30 Bham-Euston this morning there was Bham FC fans travelling down, and they were really loud, and i was stuck at the end of couch A with them as the train was pretty full, i wasn't to bothered but i don't think the other passengers enjoyed the football chants to much, and there was no train manager seen all the way to Euston.

Why didn't you move to another coach? God knows what you would have thought if you'd been on the return journey with them! Providing they'd bought tickets and were not posing a threat to other passengers i don't see what the problem is.

Back in the days when there was enough capacity to lay on Footexs such an instance would not have occurred but things have changed in the last twenty years.

 

[miked]

because the train was full, with a few people having to stand, 90% of standard seat were reserved,

 

[wensley]

With regards to banning alcohol it would definitely be tricky but there is also the risk of upsetting more people than you please. On the occasions I have been stupid enough to leave London at 1700 on a Friday night I have been very surprised at the number of businessmen wanting a sneaky can or two before they get home, never mind the other passengers. The same with football trains. The loss in revenue and increased costs of policing a ban would be impractical and costly.