Portsmouth to Brighton/L'hampton

[spark001uk]

Just a quick one, what is the Southern stock usually used on the Harbour to Brighton, and the Southsea to L'Hampton? I'm fairly sure it's 377s Brighton and 313s Littlehampton but I could be wrong?

 

[cactustwirly]

Just a quick one, what is the Southern stock usually used on the Harbour to Brighton, and the Southsea to L'Hampton? I'm fairly sure it's 377s Brighton and 313s Littlehampton but I could be wrong?

I'm fairly sure it's 313s on both services, 377s are used on the Southampton services

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Usually 313's but 377's can pop up occasionally

...best to use the station facilities before you board a 313...

 

[spark001uk]

Hi yes confirmed by staff both are 313 "milk floats".
Actually why do they call them milk floats? Is it because of the whine of the old DC motors?

 

[swt_passenger]

The rule of thumb is that the SN trains on the west coastway route that are shown without first class in the timetable will normally be 313s:
https://www.southernrailway.com/tra...s---9-dec-2018---18-may-2019/gtr1812ptt27.pdf

 

[Islineclear3_1]

OT I know but I don't know how many 313's are out of service but the last few times I've been to Brighton on a weekend, the Seafords and Lewes shuttles have been (mainly) 377

 

[OxtedSignaller]

Brighton to Portsmouth Harbour and Southampton Central is 377

Brighton and Littlehampton to Southsea are 313s

The 313s almost exclusively operate West Worthing, Hove, Seaford, Bognor shuttles and Lewes however there is diagrams at weekends and late evening which are operated as DOO with 377s and OBS.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Brighton to Portsmouth Harbour and Southampton Central is 377

Brighton and Littlehampton to Southsea are 313s

The 313s almost exclusively operate West Worthing, Hove, Seaford, Bognor shuttles and Lewes however there is diagrams at weekends and late evening which are operated as DOO with 377s and OBS.

I have seen 313s working semi-fast Brighton - Portsmouth Harbour on Saturdays (3 units diagrammed I think)

 

[spark001uk]

OK thanks, I spent the day down there yesterday and it turned out there's an hourly Ports Hbr to Brighton, which were all 313s, or all the ones I observed anyway. Also an hourly Ports/SS LL to Littlehampton, also 313. The Southampton to Brighton and the Ports Hbr to Victoria were both 377s.
Naturally I chose to go Ports Hbr to Gatwick, then down the main to Brighton. I wasn't going to sit on a 313 for almost an hour and a half !
(I could've gone up to Havant or somewhere and picked up a Southampton to Brighton, but it wasn't a good connection)

 

[Islineclear3_1]

How could you not savour over an hour's journey on a 313 !? Veteran sterling units

In all seriousness, I hope you had a good day and got what you wanted. Shame the blue baby wasn't out...

 

[spark001uk]

How could you not savour over an hour's journey on a 313 !? Veteran sterling units

In all seriousness, I hope you had a good day and got what you wanted. Shame the blue baby wasn't out...

Yes I did keep an eye out for it, be nice to see it in the original paint, despite the modern regulation doors!
Actually why do they call them milk floats, do you know? Is it the DC motor whine?

 

[387star]

Was there a Portsmouth harbour to seaford service years ago?

 

[Nammer]

Yes, in the ‘slam door’ days there were 1546 and 1646 PMH - Seaford through services around the late 90s

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Yes, in the ‘slam door’ days there were 1546 and 1646 PMH - Seaford through services around the late 90s

That's interesting. Only one way? And when did this stop?

Must have been fun traversing the crossovers across the station throat at Brighton to access the East Coastway

 

[Nammer]

I don’t recall any return through workings but there may have been? These through services were truncated to Brighton around c2003 when the 375s were introduced to the Coastway lines iirc

 

[30907]

I don’t recall any return through workings but there may have been? These through services were truncated to Brighton around c2003 when the 375s were introduced to the Coastway lines iirc

ISTR there was a period when there were regular East-West workings (and vv!) but don't remember the detail. There were rather fewer trains in and out of Brighton back then...

 

[387star]

Yes, in the ‘slam door’ days there were 1546 and 1646 PMH - Seaford through services around the late 90s

Ta not going mad

 

[swt class 450]

The 313s run majority of journeys on both of those routes. However i have noticed the late evening services on both of those routes seem to be mainly 377s though. Also it is fairly common for a 313 diagram to be replaced with a 377 (or occasionally vice versa).

 

[sarahj]

How could you not savour over an hour's journey on a 313 !? Veteran sterling units

In all seriousness, I hope you had a good day and got what you wanted. Shame the blue baby wasn't out...

5 hours is the most I've done in one go. Needed the lav a bit after that.
Blue may not be coming back to us, but I have heard we are getting another 2 as they are withdrawn from the moorgates.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Have I read this correctly...is this the end for Big Blue? ☹

 

[adrock1976]

I have seen references to something called "Big Blue" in some of the above posts.

Could somebody please explain what "Big Blue" is, bearing in mind anything specific to south of the mighty Thames is like a foreign country to me?

 

[prod_pep]

I have seen references to something called "Big Blue" in some of the above posts.

Could somebody please explain what "Big Blue" is, bearing in mind anything specific to south of the mighty Thames is like a foreign country to me?

It's the nickname of BR blue and grey liveried 313201. I understand it is still under repair at Lovers Walk.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Yes its the 'heritage' blue/grey livery applied when new in 1976 and became BRs standatd livery to most multiple unit stock in the late 1970s/1980s before sectorisation. Its a pet name locally

 

[LAX54]

When I worked there, mainstay for the locals were HAPs and EPBs

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Yes dont forget the coastway Caps (semi-permantly coupled pairs of Haps)

When I worked there, mainstay for the locals were HAPs and EPBs

 

[moley]

Yes, in the ‘slam door’ days there were 1546 and 1646 PMH - Seaford through services around the late 90s

Also at least one in the morning, guessing about 0758 off FTN. Rammed full of college kids from FTN to Havant.

 

[sarahj]

I have seen references to something called "Big Blue" in some of the above posts.

Could somebody please explain what "Big Blue" is, bearing in mind anything specific to south of the mighty Thames is like a foreign country to me?

If you have facebook you can see our Big Blue page. You cannot join, unless your a southern employee on the south coast routes and we know you.