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Can someone help please.

I am going to Gdansk in a few weeks time and have a few questions about Polish railways (PKP) on which I haven't travelled since a very eventful trip in 1976!

Firstly, is photography allowed on PKP stations? I suspect that it might not be, particularly in view of the increased tensions in the area with Ukraine, Kaliningrad etc. but any information on this would be most appreciated.

Secondly, how easy is it to purchase a ticket on PKP particularly at main stations such as Gdansk? I assume that it is much the same as in this country with the possibility of buying a paper ticket, language issues notwithstanding! Again, any inforamtion on this would be most appreciated.

Thirdly, does anyone kbow how easy it is to use the trams in Gdansk. Again, from what I can gather, tickets can be purchased either at tram stops or on the trams themselves with day tickets being available>

Thanks in advance.
 
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Not all Polish train companies come under PKP anymore. In the tri-city area you have PKP Intercity, PKP SKM and POLREGIO. They are separate companies with limited ticket acceptance (Taryfa Pomorska tickets are valid with the latter two).
Firstly, is photography allowed on PKP stations? I suspect that it might not be, particularly in view of the increased tensions in the area with Ukraine, Kaliningrad etc. but any information on this would be most appreciated.
Yes, so long as you are not photographing railway depots or military trains. However security staff (usually from an agency) may ask questions.
Secondly, how easy is it to purchase a ticket on PKP particularly at main stations such as Gdansk? I assume that it is much the same as in this country with the possibility of buying a paper ticket, language issues notwithstanding! Again, any inforamtion on this would be most appreciated.
For PKP Intercity, I would urge to buy in advance as their trains sell out very often. Ticket offices are only present at the major stations but POLREGIO doesn't have a ticket office in the area (their tickets can be issued by the other two operators). Ticket machines are also available and they usually have an English option.
Thirdly, does anyone kbow how easy it is to use the trams in Gdansk. Again, from what I can gather, tickets can be purchased either at tram stops or on the trams themselves with day tickets being available>
On board trams, as I understand it the only way to buy a ticket is to use the Fala ticket validators. You'll need to find one with the big touch screen to select a 24 hour ticket, there are also some with smaller non-touch screens but those only do single ride fares. When using these machines, your card becomes your travel authority (no paper ticket issued).

There are also stand-alone ticket machines at certain stops like at the tram stop by the main station. I think those issue paper tickets.
 

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To add-as perhaps this may apply due to date of first visit is so long ago: as from 70 (NOT 65!) ANY LOCAL transit anywhere in Poland-tram/bus in Gdanks, (trolley)bus in Gdynia is free-for anyone, Just show ID in the very rare cases when checks are done-boarding is always unchecked.
POlRegio has an ample offer of quite cheap various weekend/ride-at-will passes, see their site.
 

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Depending on your level of confidence with mobile apps I can recommend the PKP Intercity app for long journeys. The app lets you change tickets free of charge as many times as you want up until a few minutes before departure. It also lets you refund tickets subject to a 15% admin fee. It provides really good flexibility. You can also see the free seats on the trains and sit yourself in quiet areas. There’s often special offers on the app (I remember recently first class tickets were 45% discounted on the train I was looking at). The paper tickets are also similarly changeable and refundable however you have to get them stamped in a ticket office before the train you no longer want to travel on departs. Then you have to fill in forms and submit them at Intercity ticket offices.
Myself and my wife have taken hundreds of photos of trains and stations etc all over Poland in the last few years. Nobody has even so much as looked at us let alone questioned us.
If the ticket offices are closed or don’t exist (small or rural stops) the rule is to find the conductor on boarding to purchase a ticket rather than wait for them to come. I think the latter can get you a 30zl fee added to your ticket.
Gdansk is a great area to explore. I hope you have a good time.
 

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I was in Gdansk just the last couple of days.

I've not had any problems photographing trains in Polish stations.

For long-distance inter-city trains, I would highly recommend booking early and on their website / PKP inter-city app. As long as you are registered with an account a ticket booked from the website will appear in your app if logged in. The ticket office at Gdansk Glowny had long queues whenever I went through.

For trams, there are ticket machines only at selected stops - those machines only sell 'local' tickets. There is a Tri-city 'Municipal' 24-hour ticket for 34PLN (which is valid on SKM, Gdansk urban transport system (including trams) and the Gdynia transport system (including trolleybuses). I couldn't find that ticket from any of the ticket machines (Gdansk red machines or SKM or Polregio machines), and after much faffing managed to buy one through the Jakdojade app. Beware if getting the tri-city municipal 24-hour ticket there are different combinations of validity - there are cheaper ones giving you travel on one or the other of the Gdansk and Gdynia systems but not both.
 

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When I was in Gdansk and travelling locally, I used the PKP App which was easy to use. I was however a bit surprised that prices varied by type of train with three different possible fare types when travelling between Gdansk and Malbork for example.
 

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Just to add to the PKP app advice, there is also Koleo which sells tickets for most operators in Poland. Bilkom also does this but it isn't as nice to use.
I was however a bit surprised that prices varied by type of train with three different possible fare types when travelling between Gdansk and Malbork for example.
That’ll be because some trains on that route are subsidised and therefore subject to regulated fares (TLK and IC) whereas others are run on a commercial basis and therefore not subject to regulated fares (EIC and EIP). On top of that there is promo pricing.
 

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When I was in Gdansk and travelling locally, I used the PKP App which was easy to use. I was however a bit surprised that prices varied by type of train with three different possible fare types when travelling between Gdansk and Malbork for example.
Snap!
We had a holiday in the area and had a day trip to Malbork - highly recommended - before apps were a thing. I found that you needed to buy a ticket but be able to say which train you were actually taking to get the correct fare.
 

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I just went to Gdansk earlier this year. It's brilliant and the Jakdojade app is a lifesaver

Many proper trains with locomotives
Many trams
Many trolleybuses
Trains and ferries to Hel (and back!)
Lovely people only too keen to practice their anglais
Message me if you want to know more or see photos, as I took hundreds (a few of railways)
 

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Jakdojade is best for local transport - with Koleo for PKP services.

IIRC Jakdojade will sell you a 24/72hr pass which covers Polregio/PKP SKM and the buses/trams in the Tricity Area (Gdynia/Sopot/Gdańsk)
 

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Jakdojade is best for local transport - with Koleo for PKP services.

IIRC Jakdojade will sell you a 24/72hr pass which covers Polregio/PKP SKM and the buses/trams in the Tricity Area (Gdynia/Sopot/Gdańsk)
I’ve been recommended this app ahead of an upcoming trip, it looks dead easy to use too
 

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Gdansk city is pretty walkable, so can't comment on the trams, however, be sure to visit Sopot while you're there.
 

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I was in Gdansk in October 2024. The trams were excellent: I purchased a day ticket from a ticket machine at the tram stop outside Gdansk central station.

May I recommend a trip on the railcars to Hel? The conductor was at the front of the train: those joining at intermediate unstaffed stations formed a queue to purchase tickets from him or her. All worked well.
 

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Not all Polish train companies come under PKP anymore. In the tri-city area you have PKP Intercity, PKP SKM and POLREGIO. They are separate companies with limited ticket acceptance (Taryfa Pomorska tickets are valid with the latter two).

Yes, so long as you are not photographing railway depots or military trains. However security staff (usually from an agency) may ask questions.

For PKP Intercity, I would urge to buy in advance as their trains sell out very often. Ticket offices are only present at the major stations but POLREGIO doesn't have a ticket office in the area (their tickets can be issued by the other two operators). Ticket machines are also available and they usually have an English option.

On board trams, as I understand it the only way to buy a ticket is to use the Fala ticket validators. You'll need to find one with the big touch screen to select a 24 hour ticket, there are also some with smaller non-touch screens but those only do single ride fares. When using these machines, your card becomes your travel authority (no paper ticket issued).

There are also stand-alone ticket machines at certain stops like at the tram stop by the main station. I think those issue paper tickets.
Thank you for your very helpful advice. Just one further question, can you buy return tickets on Polish railways or are they one way only?

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Not all Polish train companies come under PKP anymore. In the tri-city area you have PKP Intercity, PKP SKM and POLREGIO. They are separate companies with limited ticket acceptance (Taryfa Pomorska tickets are valid with the latter two).

Yes, so long as you are not photographing railway depots or military trains. However security staff (usually from an agency) may ask questions.

For PKP Intercity, I would urge to buy in advance as their trains sell out very often. Ticket offices are only present at the major stations but POLREGIO doesn't have a ticket office in the area (their tickets can be issued by the other two operators). Ticket machines are also available and they usually have an English option.

On board trams, as I understand it the only way to buy a ticket is to use the Fala ticket validators. You'll need to find one with the big touch screen to select a 24 hour ticket, there are also some with smaller non-touch screens but those only do single ride fares. When using these machines, your card becomes your travel authority (no paper ticket issued).

There are also stand-alone ticket machines at certain stops like at the tram stop by the main station. I think those issue paper tickets.
To add-as perhaps this may apply due to date of first visit is so long ago: as from 70 (NOT 65!) ANY LOCAL transit anywhere in Poland-tram/bus in Gdanks, (trolley)bus in Gdynia is free-for anyone, Just show ID in the very rare cases when checks are done-boarding is always unchecked.
POlRegio has an ample offer of quite cheap various weekend/ride-at-will passes, see their site.
Thank you for your help.

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Depending on your level of confidence with mobile apps I can recommend the PKP Intercity app for long journeys. The app lets you change tickets free of charge as many times as you want up until a few minutes before departure. It also lets you refund tickets subject to a 15% admin fee. It provides really good flexibility. You can also see the free seats on the trains and sit yourself in quiet areas. There’s often special offers on the app (I remember recently first class tickets were 45% discounted on the train I was looking at). The paper tickets are also similarly changeable and refundable however you have to get them stamped in a ticket office before the train you no longer want to travel on departs. Then you have to fill in forms and submit them at Intercity ticket offices.
Myself and my wife have taken hundreds of photos of trains and stations etc all over Poland in the last few years. Nobody has even so much as looked at us let alone questioned us.
If the ticket offices are closed or don’t exist (small or rural stops) the rule is to find the conductor on boarding to purchase a ticket rather than wait for them to come. I think the latter can get you a 30zl fee added to your ticket.
Gdansk is a great area to explore. I hope you have a good time.
Thank you for your help and advice. I have downloaded the apps and am going to try booking a short journey just to try them out. As a matter of interest, my last trip to Poland was in 1976 when photography was very definitely unwelcome, particularly when we found ourselves in the middle of an area where the Polish and Red armies were holding joint maneuvers (Bydgoszcz area); our group had two guides from the railway ministry in Warsaw armed with a letter giving us permission to take photos, and we still had problems! I think that things are somewhat different now!

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I was in Gdansk just the last couple of days.

I've not had any problems photographing trains in Polish stations.

For long-distance inter-city trains, I would highly recommend booking early and on their website / PKP inter-city app. As long as you are registered with an account a ticket booked from the website will appear in your app if logged in. The ticket office at Gdansk Glowny had long queues whenever I went through.

For trams, there are ticket machines only at selected stops - those machines only sell 'local' tickets. There is a Tri-city 'Municipal' 24-hour ticket for 34PLN (which is valid on SKM, Gdansk urban transport system (including trams) and the Gdynia transport system (including trolleybuses). I couldn't find that ticket from any of the ticket machines (Gdansk red machines or SKM or Polregio machines), and after much faffing managed to buy one through the Jakdojade app. Beware if getting the tri-city municipal 24-hour ticket there are different combinations of validity - there are cheaper ones giving you travel on one or the other of the Gdansk and Gdynia systems but not both.
Thank you for your help. I have installed the app and we'll se how we go from there!
 
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I had a very enjoyable and interesting few days in Gdansk last year.

Nobody batted an eye at me running up and down stations taking (too many!) photos.

Transport highlights were:
- Lots of loco hauled trains (some with proper restaurant cars)
- DMUs sandwiching a regular coach between Gdynia and Hel
- An intercity train formed of a centre-cab diesel and two coaches (I travelled on it between Gdynia and Gdansk)
- Historic trams at weekends which just ran as regular services accepting normal tickets (look for the green timetables, I think)
- A trip to nearby Elbląg for a boat trip along a canal which uses boat-carrying funiculars instead of locks (and a very pleasant boat trip anyway, and that was after a week's boating in Germany). Also some rather interesting trams in Elbląg, old and new

I'd be very happy to go back.
 

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Firstly, is photography allowed on PKP stations? I suspect that it might not be, particularly in view of the increased tensions in the area with Ukraine, Kaliningrad etc. but any information on this would be most appreciated.

Yes, absolutely allowed. The only exception is if there's a visible sign prohibiting it. I've never seen such a sign, except at a couple of specific military-related sites.

Secondly, how easy is it to purchase a ticket on PKP particularly at main stations such as Gdansk? I assume that it is much the same as in this country with the possibility of buying a paper ticket, language issues notwithstanding! Again, any inforamtion on this would be most appreciated.

At main stations, the PKP Intercity passenger information offices (which are separate - https://www.intercity.pl/en/site/for-business/customer-service/centrum-obslugi-pasazera-en.html ) all speak English, but most people simply use the ticket machines or something like the Koleo app: https://koleo.pl/

Elsewhere, your mileage may vary, but in general, younger people (i.e. under 40) will understand, even if they can't speak.

For long-distance inter-city trains, I would highly recommend booking early and on their website / PKP inter-city app.

Booking early is absolutely essential, but I wouldn't recommend anything from PKP. The Koleo app is *much* better, and you can pretty much buy a ticket for any railway operator there.

That’ll be because some trains on that route are subsidised and therefore subject to regulated fares (TLK and IC) whereas others are run on a commercial basis and therefore not subject to regulated fares (EIC and EIP). On top of that there is promo pricing.

Theoretically the division is like that, but in practice, it's not as transparent. There are a lot of political games going on with PKP Intercity, meaning that the EIC/EIP trains are often being subsidised to make certain calls or routes through subsidies being provided for IC/TLK trains that could be commercially operated. It would take a lengthy essay to explain it all, but the gist is that prices are being set according to political will and not according to actual market demand. PKP Intercity claim otherwise, but journalists have repeatedly looked for evidence of the yield management system they claim to use, and it's simply not there.

The general issue with PKP Intercity is that it's very political, and so routes that should attract sky-high fares such as Kołobrzeg-Kraków on a summer Saturday is often priced exactly the same as a train going from Warsaw to Wrocław on a cold wet Tuesday evening in winter. Then there are a lot of yield management issues, because politicians are frankly afraid to implement proper commercial pricing for EIC/EIP trains.

Going further, there's also a problem that there's simply no logic as to which trains are EIC and which are IC. The standard is often exactly the same, or even worse in EIC than in IC. For instance, Wrocław-Warsaw should be mostly EIC trains with responsive route pricing, just as LOT does. The problem is that any attempt to change the current swathe of IC trains into an EIC offering would result in political carnage, even though people travelling Wrocław-Warsaw don't need subsidised trains.

A good example of the stupidity on PKP Intercity comes from the trains from Warsaw to Gdynia in summer. 15 commercial trains and 10 subsidised trains operate then, while in winter, there are 14 commercial and 8 subsidised. In summer, these trains could easily be commercial-only, because PKP Intercity doesn't need a subsidy to fill them. In winter, it's a different story, and most trains should probably be subsidised, except during certain times (Friday afternoon, Sunday afternoon/evening). But any attempt to change this in a serious way would receive huge political backlash, and so the nonsense remains.

The same nonsense also stops PKP Intercity from attracting business passengers with a genuinely premium offering. There's a certain demand there for the EIP trains to have a high quality carriage with 1+1 seating, which would offer a meal and conditions suitable for working. But no-one in the government will approve such a thing, because of the political backlash.

And this is before we discuss the competition between PKP Intercity and the provincial carriers on clearly regional routes, where PKP Intercity shouldn't even be trying to win passengers.
 

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Thank you for your very helpful advice. Just one further question, can you buy return tickets on Polish railways or are they one way only?
On PKP Intercity there is no such thing as an open ticket so they will only sell a ticket for a specific train. Polregio and SKMT don't offer return tickets in this area (as far as I can see), they just do singles with 3 hour validity or day tickets.
Theoretically the division is like that, but in practice, it's not as transparent. There are a lot of political games going on with PKP Intercity, meaning that the EIC/EIP trains are often being subsidised to make certain calls or routes through subsidies being provided for IC/TLK trains that could be commercially operated. It would take a lengthy essay to explain it all, but the gist is that prices are being set according to political will and not according to actual market demand. PKP Intercity claim otherwise, but journalists have repeatedly looked for evidence of the yield management system they claim to use, and it's simply not there.

The general issue with PKP Intercity is that it's very political, and so routes that should attract sky-high fares such as Kołobrzeg-Kraków on a summer Saturday is often priced exactly the same as a train going from Warsaw to Wrocław on a cold wet Tuesday evening in winter. Then there are a lot of yield management issues, because politicians are frankly afraid to implement proper commercial pricing for EIC/EIP trains.

Going further, there's also a problem that there's simply no logic as to which trains are EIC and which are IC. The standard is often exactly the same, or even worse in EIC than in IC. For instance, Wrocław-Warsaw should be mostly EIC trains with responsive route pricing, just as LOT does. The problem is that any attempt to change the current swathe of IC trains into an EIC offering would result in political carnage, even though people travelling Wrocław-Warsaw don't need subsidised trains.

A good example of the stupidity on PKP Intercity comes from the trains from Warsaw to Gdynia in summer. 15 commercial trains and 10 subsidised trains operate then, while in winter, there are 14 commercial and 8 subsidised. In summer, these trains could easily be commercial-only, because PKP Intercity doesn't need a subsidy to fill them. In winter, it's a different story, and most trains should probably be subsidised, except during certain times (Friday afternoon, Sunday afternoon/evening). But any attempt to change this in a serious way would receive huge political backlash, and so the nonsense remains.

The same nonsense also stops PKP Intercity from attracting business passengers with a genuinely premium offering. There's a certain demand there for the EIP trains to have a high quality carriage with 1+1 seating, which would offer a meal and conditions suitable for working. But no-one in the government will approve such a thing, because of the political backlash.
I am aware of PKPIC's turbulent relationship with their political overlords, they haven't been able to put regulated fares up in over a decade! Changes need to be made to how Intercity is funded and managed however such changes would most likely involve politicians relinquishing control - so it'll never happen.
And this is before we discuss the competition between PKP Intercity and the provincial carriers on clearly regional routes, where PKP Intercity shouldn't even be trying to win passengers.
Don't you know there is great demand for intercity service from Kraków Plaszów to Kraków Główny... :D

(you can even book a sleeper cabin for this 6 minute journey!!)
 

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Are Koleo and Jakdojade apps government managed or third party / private sector initiatives? Thanks.
 
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