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Hi,

By providing some details from a childhood memory I’d like to kindly request fellow forum members’ knowledge in trying to establish what station the following information could describe. Here’s the story:

My grandfather worked as a Station Master for British Rail for the vast majority of his career and upon retirement he was awarded with an incredible travel pass that allowed him unlimited use of the network (including First Class) for the rest of his life. This continued even after privatisation. Up until I was 16 years of age I could join him for a nominal fare (c.£2 return) and as a result he took me all over Great Britain during my childhood - these are very treasured memories of mine and it was during this period that I became a rail enthusiast.

Sadly my grandfather is no longer with us but the memories of the fun we had on our journeys together remain rich and strong. However considering I was a very young child for many of them there are some specific details that I can’t recall and there’s one particular thing that I’d love to try and establish - a station we spent some time at but I’m not exactly sure why, most likely for a service change but could also be due to a train fault or indeed any other reason. The following is what I can remember about the station - I appreciate that this is a needle in a haystack scenario but hopefully the following can help us track it down:

Firstly, this station could be literally anywhere on the network apart from the Far North Line - even though I’ve ventured up there as an adult I know I didn’t go all the way up there with my grandfather.

We started most of our journeys at Alfreton (or Alfreton & Mansfield Parkway as it was known at the time) but also regularly began our travels at either Nottingham or Newark North Gate.

We headed North West more frequently than any other direction - Manchester and Liverpool were the most common destinations and I suspect the station I’m trying to track down was in Greater Manchester, Merseyside or Lancashire - but I could very well be wrong, it just seems to ring a bell.

The station building was made from red brick and had a centre platform with track either side. I’m pretty sure (but not quite 100%) that there was no further infrastructure.

There was a roof over roughly half/two thirds of the centre platform that was constructed using ornate metal in a “classic” style - most likely Victorian or Edwardian.

The platform was cobbled throughout, the reason that I have such a vivid memory of this station is because a huge ant farm had burrowed its way between the cobbles and I remember playing with this and fighting off flying ants whilst we waited for the train.

My grandfather refused to travel on Pacers or “Railbuses” as he called them, because we were travelling on leisure and weren’t in any hurry he’d rather wait for the next train if a service was being provided by a Pacer. He had no problem with Sprinters though and I’m fairly certain I never travelled on a Pacer with my grandfather despite what must have been well over 100 journeys together. This is the main thing that makes me question whether this station is in the North West or not.

In my adult life the most likely station I’ve visited that matches my description is Atherton but I’m still not entirely convinced that this is it:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherton_railway_station

Main reasons being, we’d be in Pacer country and I can’t imagine it’s ever been a place where changing services would be necessary. I also don’t recall us visiting the town itself. As a lifetime railwayman my grandfather never made a mistake when it came to journey planning... at least that I know of! :lol: In all seriousness, I can’t imagine we’d have ended up at the station I’m describing unless it was necessary. He even used to teach me how to read paper timetables and test me on the trains we should take from when I was about four years old.

This memory is roughly from 1989-1993 but younger readers please still contribute to the thread if you think you have an idea about the station, it’s not likely to have changed much since.

I fully appreciate how hard this station will be to track down but I think this thread is worth a shot. Also if anyone has any questions I’ll more than happily dig into my memory banks to try and provide further information.

Many Thanks
 
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Sounds a bit like Hellifield but not the cobbled platforms although it might have been quite run down in the 1990s?
 
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Thank you @deltic - Hellifield definitely matches the criteria, just from my memory it looks a bit of a larger station (actual size not footflow) than I remember and I don’t recall an out of use bay platform... but I could be wrong.

I intend to visit all recommendations from this thread in the hope that it refreshes my memory and I’m certainly adding Hellifield to the list. Out of interest, can you think of any reason we’d need to change there in the late 80s/early 90s? No worries if not.

Really appreciate your assistance.
 

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Stations on the Atherton line are mostly yellow brick. Some of them have brick platform surfaces but they may be more recent than 1990s - never heard of a platform with traditional stone setts (cobbles) and I imagine they would be a tripping hazard.
 

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Your original description sounds quite like Poulton-Le-Fylde. Red brick building on centre island platform, slightly ornate metal roof covering about half the platform.
I'm not sure about the cobblestones in the early 90's, but I could see Poulton being the kind of place that tried ot keep something like that. My Grandparents lived there, so I possibly have similar memories of going on an adventure to see Grandad on the Train.
 

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Hellifield had a bay platform each end of the station, but has never had cobbles/setts, as far as I am aware.
Poulton-Le-Fylde would be a potential contender:
Poulton-Le-Fylde Railway Station

© Copyright David Dixon and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence.
(Click on the picture to go to the larger original.)
This photo shows the platform surface is currently brick/blockwork. I don't know if it ever had a bay platform.

You may find the Geograph website, from which the above picture comes, of use in your search - free to access and you only sign up if you wish to post your own pictures.
 

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I can’t remember if Poulton Le Fylde having cobbled platforms prior to it Lancashire Lines rebranding in the late 80s/ early 90s
 

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Hi,

The platform was cobbled throughout, the reason that I have such a vivid memory of this station is because a huge ant farm had burrowed its way between the cobbles and I remember playing with this and fighting off flying ants whilst we waited for the train.

When you say "cobbled" do you mean cobbles as in medieval streets (big, round upright stones) or stone setts as in small squared setts?
 

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Llandudno Junction? Not cobbled but maybe it was in the past. Red brick building, roof that covers about 2/3 of the platform, bay platform (was it unused in the 90s?) - The only other thing though is there is also another platform South of the island.
 

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It seems this all hangs on the existence of cobbles. Were there any stations which still had cobbles on the platforms as late as 1989-1993? It seems unlikely but I can't definitively say no. However Wigan Wallgate may well fit the bill. Although its platform canopy is not the original its style is not too far removed from the traditional. And yes it has a bay platform but you could easily miss it if you didn't go to the far end of the platform. The building is most definitely red brick, rather imposing without actually being impressive as such. The clincher could be the "carriage bay" in front of the station. This has both a traditional style awning and cobbled setts, indeed these were renovated quite recently and comprise part of the building's listed status. The booking hall used to contain a traditional news kiosk which also sold snacks which might well have provided a good reason for coming up from the platform and thus bringing the aforesaid forecourt into view. And Wallgate has long been frequently served by Pacers. HTIOI.
 

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According to Wikipedia the platform-level buildings at Wallgate date from 1978 so would not have been Victorian/Edwardian at the time of the visit.
 

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Can anyone think of any station anywhere that has had cobbles (I agree more likely that stone setts are meant) on the platforms? Paving a cattle loading dock or goods yard maybe, but not on a passenger platform.
The North Wales coast occurs to me, as quite a few relatively small stations had big island platforms and minimal buildings, but an over-provision of toilets to service returning non-corridor excursion trains.
 

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Llandudno Junction? Not cobbled but maybe it was in the past. Red brick building, roof that covers about 2/3 of the platform, bay platform (was it unused in the 90s?) - The only other thing though is there is also another platform South of the island.


I don't know for sure if Llandudno Junction was ever cobbled, but I know there was a large trap door on platform 1 where I think they used to keep parcels back in the older days that definitely had cobbles around the outside of the trap door.

It may actually still be there. I can't think for sure. I will be there either tomorrow or Saturday and will take a picture if it is still there. As I would think if the trap door had cobbles around it, the rest of the platform probably did at some point.
 

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IIRC, at the time in question Wigan Wallgate may still have had the up and down through lines, i.e. 4 track through the station, plus the bay? Not sure when exactly they were lifted, but I reckon they were still in place in the early 90's. Will stand to be corrected though!
In addition, I'm pretty certain that it wasn't cobbled at that time... I certainly remember the platforms being stone flagged earlier than that
 
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I don't know for sure if Llandudno Junction was ever cobbled, but I know there was a large trap door on platform 1 where I think they used to keep parcels back in the older days that definitely had cobbles around the outside of the trap door.

It may actually still be there. I can't think for sure. I will be there either tomorrow or Saturday and will take a picture if it is still there. As I would think if the trap door had cobbles around it, the rest of the platform probably did at some point.
The usual reason for a trap door in the platform is to access the cellar in the buffet, for delivering beer barrels and similar.

I've never, ever, anywhere seen a station platfom surfaced with either stone setts or round cobbles. They might exist in the middle of the platform particularly if that was once an access for road vehicles (unlikely on an island platform). But the area where people wait for and board trains will have blockwork, stone or concrete flags, asphalt or (rarely these days) some sort of compacted gravel. The OP may recall cobbles but I'm pretty sure it would have been blockwork.
 

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Thank you for all the replies, very informative and I really appreciate your time and effort!

When you say "cobbled" do you mean cobbles as in medieval streets (big, round upright stones) or stone setts as in small squared setts?

I had cobbles in my mind but the platform surface wasn’t uneven or awkward to walk on as some medieval streets can be, I’d estimate that each stone was similarly sized to a standard house brick but they weren’t really compacted tightly next to one another - there was certainly enough mortar between them for the ants to create a large art farm.

I’ll certainly be adding every station suggested so far to the list, I know we definitely visited New Brighton, Llandudno Junction and Wigan during my childhood. After doing some image searches Poulton-Le-Fylde and Walkden ring the most bells but please keep all suggestions coming!

It’s also interesting that out of the six suggestions so far, three have been at or very near to coastal destinations and that @AndrewE also mentioned the North Wales coast. Andrew - did you have any particular stations in mind?

@Y Ddraig Coch - did you manage to check whether Llandudno Junction still had cobbles around the trap door this weekend?

Thank you all once again.
 

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Is this the sort of brick you mean? I can certainly remember seeing those still in place at more than one station in the late 1980s, including on some platforms although more usually in courtyard areas.


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Yes, those look quite familiar - whilst cobbles have stuck in my mind I can't say with absolute certainty and alternative brickwork may have been in place instead.

The key thing I remember is the ant farm - this was situated towards the end of the platform and a fair distance from where most trains would stop/passengers would wait. Come to think of it, considering that often the closer you get to the end of a platform the more heavily overgrown/less maintained it gets there is the possibility that some moss or other light undergrowth had emerged from the mortar giving me the impression of cobbles when in reality it was just brickwork. Something like the below:

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Hope that helps provide some further useful info and thank you for your contribution.
 
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