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[90019]

Anyone who types the word 'of' as 'ov' needs a slap.

 

[fowler9]

Language is pretty flexible. 2 plus 2 will always equal 4, certain chemical reactions will always happen the same way etc. If you spell something incorrectly or use incorrect grammar does it change anything if the other person can understand you or are you just being petty?
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Anyone who types the word 'of' as 'ov' needs a slap.

That said, anyone who says "should of" or "could of" instead of "should have" or "could have" should be knocked out. Ha ha.

 

[richw]

A surprising number of people have trouble using punctuation correctly. An example of poor punctuation is using a comma to separate one sentence from the next, as opposed to ending each sentence with a full stop. Do you happen to know anyone who does this?

I've noticed my iPad putting the wrong punctuation at the end of sentences with its auto fill function.

Language is pretty flexible. 2 plus 2 will always equal 4, certain chemical reactions will always happen the same way etc. If you spell something incorrectly or use incorrect grammar does it change anything if the other person can understand you or are you just being petty?
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That said, anyone who says "should of" or "could of" instead of "should have" or "could have" should be knocked out. Ha ha.

It's just petty and is A* English grammar really necessary on an Internet forum or social media? It's obvious what is meant or the grammar police wouldn't know what it's meant to say to pick up on it.

My iPad has just auto corrected the word Internet to make it upper case at the start, is that correct use of upper case?

 

[Railsigns]

My iPad has just auto corrected the word Internet to make it upper case at the start, is that correct use of upper case?

There are differing views on the capitalisation of "Internet". Your comma should be replaced by either a full stop or a semicolon, though.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

... and don't get me started on "PRE"

I still fume over PREbook!!

How do you feel about the phrases "prefrontal cortex" and "prefrontal lobotomy" being in medical use ?

"Pre" has entered into the English language as a Latin prefix (another "pre" word) to other words.

 

[Bayum]

I've noticed my iPad putting the wrong punctuation at the end of sentences with its auto fill function.



It's just petty and is A* English grammar really necessary on an Internet forum or social media? It's obvious what is meant or the grammar police wouldn't know what it's meant to say to pick up on it.

My iPad has just auto corrected the word Internet to make it upper case at the start, is that correct use of upper case?

That wasn't the point I was making.

The particular post I was referring to was one in which advice on a date as being given. It is my personal view that in such instances where the forum searches may appear widely on Google, that grammatically correct, standard English should be used.

I had someone tonight point out that irregardless is and has been printed I dictionaries for a while now; the reason the word continues to appear is because there is no crackdown on the poor use of written and spoken English.

 

[Liam]

I failed english exams every year I took them at school and 10 years later still don't know what a colon or a semi-colon are for, I often use saw and seen the wrong way round. There, their, they're often get mixed up. Still managed to do well in exams. Applied for universities, they didn't care how good my language skills were. Graduated, applied for jobs, again nobody cared that I failed english at school.

Grammar, punctuation, spelling (to an extent) matter very little in the big wide world.

 

[user15681]

How do you feel about the phrases "prefrontal cortex" and "prefrontal lobotomy" being in medical use ?

"Pre" has entered into the English language as a Latin prefix (another "pre" word) to other words.

I'd say the prefix 'pre' is needed for those two. There is a need to identify the front of the frontal lobe, so prefrontal makes sense and is far easier than saying "front of the frontal lobe" or naming it as a specific area.

 

[bb21]

My HTC automatically changes "ve" to "'ve", so when I type "I've" correctly, it comes out as "I''ve". I used to change it back manually but gave up after a while.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Anyone who types the word 'of' as 'ov' needs a slap.

Being quite interested in the history of the eastern side of Europe, the suffix "ov" (male) and "ova" (female) in family names would appear to go back in the to the 9th century and the Bulgarian and Old Church Slavonic language. It was gradually taken northwards into other Slavonic areas by the differing Orthodox Churches.

Of course, the recent use of the word "ov" either as a suffix or a word in its own right has occurred by the combination of transcription of the phoenetic in certain dialects of the English language and the lack of correction by teaching staff in schools. Of course, when "ov" is used in the written use combined with other slovenly crafted words of the same ilk, you can then see graffiti such as the one recently seen by my wife..." Baz ov Wivvy" which when translated into English means "Barry of Wythenshawe".

 

[PaxVobiscum]

I hope you didn't think that I was taking you up in a negative way Pax, perhaps I should have used a rather than a :roll:

I do believe I read a negative tone into your post, but I see now that I was mistaken. Sorry about that, and thanks for clarifying!

 

[Wyvern]

Please may we not use . . . . .

 

[muddythefish]

I failed english exams every year I took them at school and 10 years later still don't know what a colon or a semi-colon are for, I often use saw and seen the wrong way round. There, their, they're often get mixed up. Still managed to do well in exams. Applied for universities, they didn't care how good my language skills were. Graduated, applied for jobs, again nobody cared that I failed english at school.

Grammar, punctuation, spelling (to an extent) matter very little in the big wide world.

If you applied for a worthwhile job it would. I'd put an application with poor grammar and spelling straight in the bin.

 

[w0033944]

I failed english exams every year I took them at school and 10 years later still don't know what a colon or a semi-colon are for, I often use saw and seen the wrong way round. There, their, they're often get mixed up. Still managed to do well in exams. Applied for universities, they didn't care how good my language skills were. Graduated, applied for jobs, again nobody cared that I failed english at school.

Grammar, punctuation, spelling (to an extent) matter very little in the big wide world.

Might it be that you have dyslexia?

 

[LexyBoy]

Of course the most important thing is never to accidentally the verb.

Prebook = before facebook.
A: How did we ever keep in touch prebook?
B: I dunno lol.

Myself, I = show grammatical superiority in all circumstances.
(*)Such a thing could never happen to you or I.
(*)Bob and myself were rather windowed after the second bottle of sherry.

Please may we not use . . . . .

Well spotted. Or to put it better: LOL PWND!!!11!1!

 

[GatwickDepress]

I question the motives of a lot of the self-appointed experts of grammar (not anyone on here, I hasten to add) who seem to delight in belittling people through snobbish self-appointed expertise. As long as what is meant can be understood and is presented in a pleasant presentable manner, I couldn't give a tinker's. Life is far too short.

Though when it comes to ending sentences with prepositions, that is a rule up with which I will not put.

If you applied for a worthwhile job it would. I'd put an application with poor grammar and spelling straight in the bin.

If a dyslexic applicant was removed from the application process purely on that, then it could be considered discrimination under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 depending on circumstance.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Please may we not use . . . . .

In the long period which was that of benign dictator in a number of Senior Management positions, I have always abided by the following aid that was given to me at Manchester University in the mid 1960's by a member of the professorial staff:-

If you intend to use the phrase "able to"....use the word "can"

If you intend to use the phrase "permitted to"...use the word "may"

 

[muddythefish]

If a dyslexic applicant was removed from the application process purely on that, then it could be considered discrimination under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 depending on circumstance.

Can the DDA 1995 read rejection letters ?

 

[Tibbs]

Can the DDA 1995 read rejection letters ?

The standard way to do it is to fill in 2 applications with the same skill ses and experience. One well written, one as though written by a dyslexic person or including details of a disability.

If the first gets an interview and the other doesn't take it to tribunal and kerching!

Some people make a decent living from it. If you can make a profit off other people's prejudices, why not? They have changed the rules to say that you must actually want to do the job you applied for, but that's not hard to get around.

 

[gorgonwilliam]

My wife has started calling me Victor...

If there is to a continuation of discussion of non-existent words, can I suggest that 'plug-socket' (with or without the hyphen) be strongly discouraged. 'Socket outlet' is much to be preferred, but at least we are not plagued on this forum by the expression 'plug top' which seems, mercifully, to be in decline. Is it too much to hope that some at least of those who were in the habit of using the latter have been electrocuted through their ignorance of correct practice and terminology?

So what are we suppose to call the top part of the plug that we remove when wiring the plug or replacing the fuse?

 

[ac6000cw]

The standard way to do it is to fill in 2 applications with the same skill ses and experience. One well written, one as though written by a dyslexic person or including details of a disability.

If the first gets an interview and the other doesn't take it to tribunal and kerching!

Some people make a decent living from it. If you can make a profit off other people's prejudices, why not? They have changed the rules to say that you must actually want to do the job you applied for, but that's not hard to get around.

Because it's morally wrong - if you pretend to have the disability (or be someone else) it's deception and fraud, IMHO. If you actually have the disability and you are gathering evidence because you suspect discrimination may have happened to you, then I think it's perfectly justified.

 

[muddythefish]

If the job requires an excellent level of grammar, spelling, punctuation etc then a dyslexic person automatically is not qualified for that post, surely ?

I've had job applications over the years with some real howlers and they're binned straight away. If an applicant cannot spell they are no use to me.

 

[chris89]

If the job requires an excellent level of grammar, spelling, punctuation etc then a dyslexic person automatically is not qualified for that post, surely ?

I've had job applications over the years with some real howlers and they're binned straight away. If an applicant cannot spell they are no use to me.

Dyslexia has many different levels of it. Some have minimum difficulty yet others have extreme difficulty. So judging them all to the same level isn't right and could potentially cause other issues. Many people out their don't suffer from it but have terrible grammar and spelling.

Also if a job required excellent grammar, spelling and punctuation. I would expect it to say so in the job brief/ what is required and not to be a hidden requirement.

Like other users on here i also have Dyslexia but also Dyspraxia as well.

 

[richw]

If the job requires an excellent level of grammar, spelling, punctuation etc then a dyslexic person automatically is not qualified for that post, surely ?

I've had job applications over the years with some real howlers and they're binned straight away. If an applicant cannot spell they are no use to me.

One of the best workers I've ever employed could not read or write. He was the hardest working lad I've come across and always ensured everything was done with perfection. Your post makes you look highly ignorant of disabilities.

 

[muddythefish]

Why ?

 

[edwin_m]

As stated it depends on the needs of the job. If a job spec/advert needs good written communiction then someone with dyslexia is unlikely to be successful. Same reason there are no wheelchair-bound train drivers - the job needs the ability to climb into and out of the cab etc.

 

[bnm]

Can the DDA 1995 read rejection letters ?

Not in England and Wales as it has been repealed.

 

[Emyr]

If the job opportunity is important to the applicant I expect them to be aware of their weaknesses and get their CV checked by someone they trust.

"Too proud" is not a useful attribute in an employee.

 

[Bayum]

Of course the most important thing is never to accidentally the verb.

Prebook = before facebook.
A: How did we ever keep in touch prebook?
B: I dunno lol.

Myself, I = show grammatical superiority in all circumstances.
(*)Such a thing could never happen to you or I.
(*)Bob and myself were rather windowed after the second bottle of sherry.



Well spotted. Or to put it better: LOL PWND!!!11!1!

Would you like to explain to the rest of us why it is I've been 'PWND'?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Not in England and Wales as it has been repealed.

The Equality Act 2010 is the said Act that, with incorporational features of other Acts such as the Disability Discrimination Act 1995, incorporates and refines the definitions inherent in this Act and this said Act carried forward the pre-existing protections afforded by the Disability Discrimination Act 1995, but howsoever, there are certain key differences:-

The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 provided protection for disabled people from direct discrimination only in areas of employment and related areas. The Equality Act 2010 protects disabled people against direct discrimination in areas understood to be beyond the employment field, such as the supply of goods, services and facilities.

The Equality Act 2010 also introduced protection from discrimination that so occurs because of something that is seen to be connected to a person's disability. This form of discrimination is said by the understanding of the said Act to be justified if it can be so shewn to be a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.