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800Travel

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Hi,

As the title says really.

I am able to get a free 4 year 16-25 Railcard from Santander, and have the choice between Digital and Physical.

I have previously always gone for physical railcards, on the basis that (from some comments I have read on here) the Railcard app can be unreliable and for example if people haven't travelled in a while, they have been unable to get the railcard up (something about requiring a periodic network connection, meaning it must frequently be opened (mobile signal/wifi can be unreliable on trains)).

I wanted to get some thoughts on this please? I'm paranoid about getting a Penalty Fare Notice, Unpaid Fares Notice etc. so want the safest option - but can be forgetful (thankfully never forgot my railcard yet) and therefore am borderline between the two options.

Thank you
 
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I'd say it depends on whether you always take your wallet whenever you go anywhere. Quite a lot of young people don't these days, just taking their phone. If you don't there's probably more chance of you not having it by accident if you choose physical. If you do, physical is probably the better choice.
 

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I've never had a physical Railcard, but I appreciate not being able to lose my digital one.

With the free Railcard you're to only using the official Railcards app run by Rail Delivery Group versus the choice of various third party retailers.

I used the official app for my first Railcard without any issues. And typically when there are widespread issues with the official app, it results in a brief being sent to frontline staff so they're aware of the problem. This doesn't seem to happen for third party apps.

Personally, I'd just go for digital. It's more likely I'll have a charged phone than a physical card, and I'm rather prone to losing things.
 

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I think you’re right about the Railcard app needing to be connected to the internet every few days to ensure the railcard can be shown to an inspector when there’s no signal. I’ve just got into the routine of quickly opening the app in the morning at home on any day I’m travelling, to ensure that there’s no technical problem, and as a check that the railcard is still in date. Never had a problem showing the railcard on a train.
 

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I am a big fan of physical Railcards and will rely on them so for as long as they're available. I keep it in my wallet, which I wouldn't leave home without as it has my keys in it. So there's no chance of me forgetting my Railcard.

By contrast, my phone could run out of battery if I'm not carrying a battery bank because I want to travel light, overheat (e.g. during the recent hot weather it started running slowly), or simply freeze (I've experienced lockscreen bugs with a recent system update). And this is on a flagship phone less than a year old.

If the industry starts making Digital Railcards available in eTicket or wallet format, rather than imposing all sorts of limitations on them as is currently the case, then I would be more open to switching. As it stands, I have no desire to risk a Penalty Fare (or worse) based on an app I have no control over.
 

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Thanks everyone for your comments.

The text on my three year Disabled Railcard started wearing off after a year, I always keep it in my wallet
My previous one still shows the text luckily, but it is quite grimy I guess. Various markings all over it.

I've never had a physical Railcard, but I appreciate not being able to lose my digital one.

With the free Railcard you're to only using the official Railcards app run by Rail Delivery Group versus the choice of various third party retailers.

I used the official app for my first Railcard without any issues. And typically when there are widespread issues with the official app, it results in a brief being sent to frontline staff so they're aware of the problem. This doesn't seem to happen for third party apps.

Personally, I'd just go for digital. It's more likely I'll have a charged phone than a physical card, and I'm rather prone to losing things.
That's helpful to know re the frontline briefs. The offer is for the official railcard app anyway, not a third party retailer

I think you’re right about the Railcard app needing to be connected to the internet every few days to ensure the railcard can be shown to an inspector when there’s no signal. I’ve just got into the routine of quickly opening the app in the morning at home on any day I’m travelling, to ensure that there’s no technical problem, and as a check that the railcard is still in date. Never had a problem showing the railcard on a train.
That's a good idea - I always tried to remember to check I have the physical card, so this could be a similar check

I'd say it depends on whether you always take your wallet whenever you go anywhere. Quite a lot of young people don't these days, just taking their phone. If you don't there's probably more chance of you not having it by accident if you choose physical. If you do, physical is probably the better choice.
I generally try to have it with me, but just sometimes notice - oh I forgot, at least I'm not travelling - but worry it could occur a time when I am travelling lol

I am a big fan of physical Railcards and will rely on them so for as long as they're available. I keep it in my wallet, which I wouldn't leave home without as it has my keys in it. So there's no chance of me forgetting my Railcard.

By contrast, my phone could run out of battery if I'm not carrying a battery bank because I want to travel light, overheat (e.g. during the recent hot weather it started running slowly), or simply freeze (I've experienced lockscreen bugs with a recent system update). And this is on a flagship phone less than a year old.

If the industry starts making Digital Railcards available in eTicket or wallet format, rather than imposing all sorts of limitations on them as is currently the case, then I would be more open to switching. As it stands, I have no desire to risk a Penalty Fare (or worse) based on an app I have no control over.
Good point re battery - though I rarely 'travel light' and try to always have a charger, and a battery bank.

Regarding alternative formats - I 100% agree. Being able to access the card in Apple Wallet would make me much less concerned. Additionally, it would be good if Railcard had a laptop app as well - so for example say you were travelling somewhere but your phone ran out of battery, you could just bring it up on an alternative device.

I don't really understand why they can't issue railcards as PDFs like they do for tickets. That would certainly also be easier as you could carry a print off as well as having it digitally.

A simple interim step would be to just allow people to have both physical and digital (without requiring the purchase of two railcards). Ultimately, it has a photo on - so would not necessarily lead to fraudulent use etc. (though people do find loopholes in everything!)
 

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Regarding alternative formats - I 100% agree. Being able to access the card in Apple Wallet would make me much less concerned. Additionally, it would be good if Railcard had a laptop app as well - so for example say you were travelling somewhere but your phone ran out of battery, you could just bring it up on an alternative device.
I don’t know about laptops, but you can have a digital railcard loaded on two devices. If I’m out for a whole day I typically take my iPad as well, so my railcard is available on both phone and tablet. Reduces likelihood of a problem if battery runs low on phone as well.
 

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I've just taken delivery of a physical Railcard and, as if I needed a reminder of the vulnerability of digital-only "cards", the Three network has crashed today and my mobile (on Smarty, Three's bargain brand) is proving useless. OK, it seems to be voice that's dead, but it's an uncomfortable reminder of how easily things can go wrong.
 

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Good point re battery - though I rarely 'travel light' and try to always have a charger, and a battery bank.
Same here, but my charger and battery bank are on the heavier side as they're high wattage/capacity. So I would only tend to carry them if I'm taking a bag, which I wouldn't tend to do if I'm just heading into town to meet up with people.

Regarding alternative formats - I 100% agree. Being able to access the card in Apple Wallet would make me much less concerned. Additionally, it would be good if Railcard had a laptop app as well - so for example say you were travelling somewhere but your phone ran out of battery, you could just bring it up on an alternative device.

I don't really understand why they can't issue railcards as PDFs like they do for tickets. That would certainly also be easier as you could carry a print off as well as having it digitally.
It's allegedly to do with fraud concerns but this argument doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. Who cares if you can screenshot a Digital Railcard? It's still not valid unless you're the person shown on the photo. So it wouldn't get you through a check anyway.

If the concern is that people could fraudulently modify the picture, there is still a barcode which can (and should) be verified by scanning it. It has been raised before how it really wouldn't take much storage, in modern terms, to have each Railcard's photo kept on each scanning device.

The point is, this is a case of the industry imposing inconvenient limitations on passengers because it refuses to think "out of the box". If that logic had been adopted, eTickets would never have been given the go-ahead - they are far more rife for abuse.

A simple interim step would be to just allow people to have both physical and digital (without requiring the purchase of two railcards). Ultimately, it has a photo on - so would not necessarily lead to fraudulent use etc. (though people do find loopholes in everything!)
Yes, even if the industry insists on not allowing PDF/wallet versions of the digital Railcard, there should at least be the option of getting both a physical and digital version of the same Railcard.
 

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It's allegedly to do with fraud concerns but this argument doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. Who cares if you can screenshot a Digital Railcard? It's still not valid unless you're the person shown on the photo. So it wouldn't get you through a check anyway.

My physical card has only pictures of boats on it!

Yes, even if the industry insists on not allowing PDF/wallet versions of the digital Railcard, there should at least be the option of getting both a physical and digital version of the same Railcard.
I agree - both would be preferable.
 

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My physical card has only pictures of boats on it!
Physical versions of some Railcards, like the Network, Senior and Disabled Railcards, don't have a picture. Presumably their holders are deemed sufficiently trustworthy not to need one!

All Digital Railcards require a photo which they display.
 

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I've always opted for physical where offered. I do a lot of camping+hiking/cycling trips and I just prefer not risking my battery running out, or my phone getting damaged, or not having signal to refresh the offline railcard, etc. Same reason I opt for printed tickets.
 

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I've never had a digital one. I've always got paper ones from ticket offices in the past, which have never shown signs of wear and tear, though I got my latest Network Railcard via a promotion on the official website so that's been issued on a plastic card. Hopefully the text will remain clearly visible until the expiry date!

I really do try to guard against becoming a stereotypical grumpy old man who thinks anything new is bad, but it doesn't help when the rail industry keeps innovating in ways that make things cheaper but worse than what we had before... (though, in fairness, I doubt whether the plastic railcards are cheaper than the paper ones, are they?)
 

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I've had both physical and digital railcards. There's advantages and disadvantages to both.

All comes down to personal choice to be honest.
 

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I've used digital for a few years now, much better, one less card to carry.

Never had an issue with the app, but then, I only load it up when asked, which is infrequent at best, I can't actually remember the last time I was asked for my railcard!
 
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