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Petrol Price Fixing...?

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Ferret

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22533993

MPs and motoring groups have called on UK regulators to investigate claims that oil giants may have been linked to price-fixing for more than a decade.

It follows a raid on the offices of BP, Royal Dutch Shell, and Norway's Statoil by European anti-trust regulators.

The companies said they were cooperating with investigators.

The RAC said that the claims were "worrying news for motorists", while Tory MP Robert Halfon said drivers were being taken for an "expensive ride".

European Commission officials said its investigators made the "unannounced inspections" on Tuesday amid concerns that "the companies may have colluded in reporting distorted prices".

It did not name the firms, and emphasised that the raids did not mean the companies were guilty of any charges.

But BP, Shell, and Statoil, and also the oil pricing agency Platts, confirmed that they were working with the authorities in their inquiries.

"Even small distortions of assessed prices may have a huge impact on the prices of crude oil, refined oil products and biofuels purchases and sales, potentially harming final consumers,'" the Commission said.

As part of the investigation, the Commission said it was examining whether the companies may have prevented others from participating in the pricing process "with a view to distorting published prices".

It added: "Any such behaviour, if established, may amount to violations of European antitrust rules that prohibit cartels and restrictive business practices and abuses of a dominant market position."


Robert Halfon: "The OFT need to look at this again"
RAC technical director David Bizley said: "The Office of Fair Trading inquiry concluded at the end of January that the UK fuel market was operating fairly and not against the best interests of motorists, and therefore that a Competition Commission investigation was not needed.

"Motorists will be very interested to see what comes of these raids," he said, adding that there was a need for greater transparency in the UK fuel markets.

Mr Halfon, MP for Harlow, told the BBC that the OFT must look again at the fuel market.

'A need to know'
Shadow energy and climate change secretary Caroline Flint said: "These are very concerning reports, which if true, suggest shocking behaviour in the oil market that should be dealt with strongly.

"When the allegations of price fixing in the gas market were made, Labour warned that opaque over-the-counter deals and relying on price reporting agencies left the market vulnerable to abuse.

"These latest allegations of price fixing in the oil market raise very similar questions. Consumers need to know that the prices they pay for their energy or petrol are fair, transparent and not being manipulated".

Platts, which compiles prices for energy markets, said it was "co-operating fully with the European Commission's review."

BP said in a statement: "We are co-operating fully with the investigation and are unable to comment further at this time."

A Shell spokesman added that it was "fully co-operating" with investigators.

Statoil, which confirmed its Norwegian headquarters had been inspected, said the suspected violations "related to the Platts' Market-On-Close price assessment process" and "may have been on-going since 2002".


Quite why this is a bit of an afterthought on the BBC News page, I'm not sure. :roll: Now, perhaps our toothless OFT might like to look again at what has been going on?:roll:
 
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I'm sure they will blame OPEC. Note that all the companies are from non-OPEC countries, and OPEC has been manipulating the oil price by adjusting production quotas ever since its foundation. This looks like an attempt to achieve similar ends without reducing production.
 

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Dont you see an immediate comparison to the Libor rate fixing scandal with a just a few "mega-rich" multi-national companies involved in this latest revaluation.

To be honest, I never understood that anyway. As I see it, it's merely another example of city business screwing every last bit of money they can get out of their customers (after all, what else do they do?).

But then remember I'm one of the last High Tories who would never trust a businessman as far as he could throw him.
 

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To be honest, I never understood that anyway. As I see it, it's merely another example of city business screwing every last bit of money they can get out of their customers.

"The Libor scandal" was a series of fraudulent actions connected to the Libor (London Interbank Offered Rate). This matter arose when it was was discovered that banks were both falsely inflating or deflating their rates so as to profit from inter-bank trading and also to use these fraudulent methods to give the totally incorrect impression that the banks were more creditworthy than they actually were.

These financial misfeasances were far more serious than what you described as "screwing every last bit of money that they can get out of their customers". For information, Libor underpins almost £350 trillion in derivatives and is controlled by the British Bankers' Association, so you can see that anything fraudulent that can involve monies of this magnitude is something that can be the most serious financial scandal envisaged.
 

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I'm out in tenerife at the moment, kids gone to bed so thought i'd try the WiFi, petrol out here 1 EUR 07 for unleaded 1 EUR 03 diesel, 1 EUR 15 for unleaded 98. I got my euro's at 1 EUR 16 to the pound, so less than a pound a litre even for premium stuff. I believe being a relatively small island means the prices are inflated as well!
 

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"The Libor scandal" was a series of fraudulent actions connected to the Libor (London Interbank Offered Rate). This matter arose when it was was discovered that banks were both falsely inflating or deflating their rates so as to profit from inter-bank trading and also to use these fraudulent methods to give the totally incorrect impression that the banks were more creditworthy than they actually were.

These financial misfeasances were far more serious than what you described as "screwing every last bit of money that they can get out of their customers". For information, Libor underpins almost £350 trillion in derivatives and is controlled by the British Bankers' Association, so you can see that anything fraudulent that can involve monies of this magnitude is something that can be the most serious financial scandal envisaged.

I'm still not exactly sure what derivatives are (Wikipedia makes it sound like a complex con, a 'money for nothing' scam) but to me that mostly sounds like conmen conning other conmen, who should have known better. This particular scam was perpitrated on the general public, who couldn't possibly know better and couldn't do anything about it, that's far more serious.
 

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I'm out in tenerife at the moment, kids gone to bed so thought i'd try the WiFi, petrol out here 1 EUR 07 for unleaded 1 EUR 03 diesel, 1 EUR 15 for unleaded 98. I got my euro's at 1 EUR 16 to the pound, so less than a pound a litre even for premium stuff. I believe being a relatively small island means the prices are inflated as well!

Still almost 100 times as expensive as in Venezuela.
 

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I'm out in tenerife at the moment, kids gone to bed so thought i'd try the WiFi, petrol out here 1 EUR 07 for unleaded 1 EUR 03 diesel, 1 EUR 15 for unleaded 98. I got my euro's at 1 EUR 16 to the pound, so less than a pound a litre even for premium stuff. I believe being a relatively small island means the prices are inflated as well!

But the Canaries, like the Channel Islands, are not within the tax territory of the EU so they have a semi duty free status and their fuel prices will accordingly be less than those of their sovereign territory. For example, in Jersey it currently around £1.14 a litre, in Spain its roughly €1.40 so admittedly a slightly greater differential.
 

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Its not like most of the cost per litre is tax though is it!

Oh hang on.
 

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So if the Government order an investigation into the oil companies, they will be cutting off the hand that feeds them.
 

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Does this really come as a surprise? They're all at it - supermarkets, gas, water, electricity, telecomms.... Governments have failed to regulate and capitalism is now almost as bad as communism. It's just the effects are less obvious.
 

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Um, you do all know that this isn't referring to price fixing the price at the pump?
 

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I wonder if I can get back all the extra I've paid for petrol, like for PPI :lol:

I can already imagine the onslaught of phone calls and text messages from companies who offer to help you reclaim your money :lol:
 
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