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ngood77

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Hi,

I have a Tonbridge to London Terminals off peak return for Weds.

On the return journey I’d like to break at Clock House or Beckenham Junction. Are one or both of those permitted journeys ? I’m thinking the former isn’t but the latter is.

I’d be commencing my return leg at Cannon St ideally, but can start at Blackfriars if it makes the journey to Beckenham Junction permitted via Herne Hill.

Thanks.
 
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Yes, they're both on a permitted route - mapped route TU or RA.

Clock House is traceable via Kent House, then the fixed link walk (in the industry data feed) to Clock House and then onwards to Ladywell and New Cross.

You can definitely use Charing Cross, City Thameslink, Cannon Street and intermediate London Terminals (Waterloo East, Blackfriars, London Bridge). Waterloo and Victoria are a bit more ambiguous as it depends on the exact way you trace TU or RA.
 

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Ok thanks both. So I can go from London Bridge direct to Clock House then ?
 

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Hello again. Related to the above trip, my first permitted train of the day was at 10.08 from Tonbridge. It was delayed and so the only way for me to arrive at my destination on time was to board an earlier train for which my ticket wasn’t valid. I discussed this with a conductor on the platform before boarding the train and he said I should be ok because of the disruption. Is that correct as I’m not confident. Thanks.
 

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Hello again. Related to the above trip, my first permitted train of the day was at 10.08 from Tonbridge. It was delayed and so the only way for me to arrive at my destination on time was to board an earlier train for which my ticket wasn’t valid. I discussed this with a conductor on the platform before boarding the train and he said I should be ok because of the disruption. Is that correct as I’m not confident. Thanks.
Yes, anyone in such a position can authorise the use of alternative services at their discretion.

Most rail staff are pragmatic; unfortunately, the minority that aren't have created huge reputational issues for the industry and make headlines that bring the entire industry into disrepute and result in people not feeling confident about following the advice of the conscientious majority, which is a very sad state of affairs; some examples from the past few days include:


I therefore understand why people don't feel confident about following the advice from the many good staff in the industry; I myself have been told that someone "wouldn't have said" the advice they gave me, so I know what it's like.

You can rely on getting accurate advice on this forum, so please do ask us if you are ever in any doubt. It's just a shame it has to be this way.
 

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Hello again. Related to the above trip, my first permitted train of the day was at 10.08 from Tonbridge. It was delayed and so the only way for me to arrive at my destination on time was to board an earlier train for which my ticket wasn’t valid. I discussed this with a conductor on the platform before boarding the train and he said I should be ok because of the disruption. Is that correct as I’m not confident. Thanks.
I'm assuming you were either using a Network Railcard, or travelling on a Super Off-Peak Day Return? Both of those have restrictions meaning they're not valid before 10am on weekdays (for this journey).

In principle, if a train is merely delayed then this does not give you a right to travel earlier than the 10am restriction, unless you are anticipated to arrive more than an hour late - in that case, you're entitled to require SE to re-route you "at the earliest opportunity", which in practice means allowing you to use your ticket on the first train that turns up.

It is only if a train is cancelled that you have a general right to take an earlier train. The industry has fairly recently introduced a rule allowing you to take the 2 trains (run by the same operator) before or afterwards in the event of a cancellation - irrespective of normal ticket restrictions.

Of course, if you speak to the train's conductor (before boarding) and get their permission to board their earlier train then that is fine as well. Ideally you want to get something in writing though, in case you encounter difficult staff down the line (e.g. Revenue Protection staff at the London Bridge barriers) who don't believe that you got permission.
 

ngood77

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Thanks both. The conductor on the platform was not the conductor on the train.

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And yes I have a Super Off Peak with NR.

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Well, I didn’t get to test it in the end, as wasn’t approached to show my ticket. Thanks again.
 
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