Pendolino testing - ECML

[HSTEd]

Out of interest, does anything actually use the canal now or is it just a pleasure boat route/piece of the urban landscape.

 

[nlogax]

Out of interest, does anything actually use the canal now or is it just a pleasure boat route/piece of the urban landscape.

It's just pleasure cruises now along the Regent's Canal afaik. There is also a bundle of National Grid infrastructure buried under the towpath along the KX / St Pancras section.

 

[LE Greys]

It's just pleasure cruises now along the Regent's Canal afaik. There is also a bundle of National Grid infrastructure buried under the towpath along the KX / St Pancras section.

Is it ever used for moving water to the Lea Valley reservoirs? I ask because I just wrote to DEFRA suggesting that as an idea.

 

[nlogax]

Is it ever used for moving water to the Lea Valley reservoirs? I ask because I just wrote to DEFRA suggesting that as an idea.

Had a little search through the British Waterways site and couldn't find anything..

(straying back on topic - anyone got photos of the Pendo at KX ?)

 

[34D]

Copenhagen Junction and the North London incline to access the up or down slow ( I think there is an up slow/down slow crossover inside Copenhagen tunnel for this purpose)

Said crossover is also used to allow a 'D' arrival, which happens, albeit rarely (I've done it twice).

A shame this thread has been spoilt.

To ask for one clarification, do class 92s have ETS? I thought they did (past tense at least) for the Nightstar services. Granted that the chance of them operating passenger services is around zero.... In fact 89001 returning is probably more likely.

Theoretically, we could ditch the crossover between lines B and C (at KX throat) and extend p6 and p7 to the mouths - but it would never happen and would severely reduce flexibility.

 

[GNER 373]

I was at KX this morning, sadly I did not see it there

Is that when you had your tape measure out planning your extension?

 

[dave59]

In my opinion it would be a good move to have a 250-260m tilting EMU similar to the Class 390 for future inter-regional and inter-city service on the ECML once the IC125 and IC225 fleets are retired or shifted elsewhere as a cheaper (and already proven) alternative to the ridiculously overmanaged IEP. An EMU with capability of enhanced speeds would be a far better way to increase the service level on the ECML than adding tons of carriages to existing trains and embarking on infrastructure megaprojects to match. It doesn't need to be another order of the Class 390 exactly as used by Virgin, it could be a "Class 391" or "Class 390/5" with certain specifications changed to improve on the 390 and/or account for any different requirements specific to the ECML.

Re - the tilt EPS which might be of use on northern sections I would agree, but the assumption that the Pendolino would be a good train for the route is used by many as yet another stick with which to beat the IEP - a train that will likely be a step change for the better in passenger environment from the 390 and even ex-BR stock. ICWC is saddled with the wretched thing for decades. Please not the EC as well.

 

[AlanFry1]

Is that when you had your tape measure out planning your extension?

I was looking at how hard it could be to extend the platforms

 

[HSTEd]

It's just pleasure cruises now along the Regent's Canal afaik. There is also a bundle of National Grid infrastructure buried under the towpath along the KX / St Pancras section.

Then we could always just skylight the tunnel, doesn't look like there is anything especially important over the track and it would be wide enough for major platform extensions once the King's Cross signal box is demolished.

If the canal needs reinstating it could be as a bridge after the works is completed.


Probably cheaper than attempting a new tunnel reconstruction.

Also any pictures of the Pendo at KGX?
I want something to photoshop

 

[Hydro]

To ask for one clarification, do class 92s have ETS? I thought they did (past tense at least) for the Nightstar services.

Yes. My understanding is that they provide Continental voltage ETS, but have since been modified to UK voltage. I'd guess they're not used on the likes of the sleepers etc because they're more useful as freight engines, being very powerful and very good haulers.

 

[AlanFry1]

Re - the tilt EPS which might be of use on northern sections I would agree, but the assumption that the Pendolino would be a good train for the route is used by many as yet another stick with which to beat the IEP - a train that will likely be a step change for the better in passenger environment from the 390 and even ex-BR stock. ICWC is saddled with the wretched thing for decades. Please not the EC as well.

How do you know what the inside of a train is like before it is even built?

I think that the Class 390 is good if rather flawed train
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Yes. My understanding is that they provide Continental voltage ETS, but have since been modified to UK voltage. I'd guess they're not used on the likes of the sleepers etc because they're more useful as freight engines, being very powerful and very good haulers.

Can they be modified for 125 mph intercity service?

They are the only locos that are more powerful than the class 91

 

[nlogax]

Just noticed that the Railway Eye blog has a good shot of the Pendo at KX

http://railwayeye.blogspot.com/2012/03/ec-pendolino-there-is-more-joy-in.html

 

[AlanFry1]

Just noticed that the Railway Eye blog has a good shot of the Pendo at KX

http://railwayeye.blogspot.com/2012/03/ec-pendolino-there-is-more-joy-in.html

Is that the 11 car version?

 

[jopsuk]

If you'd actually the earlier posts in the thread before you derailed it with all your drivel, you'd have seen that no, it's one of the new ones recently delivered as 11-car but shortened to 9 cars.

 

[andylloyd]

Is that the 11 car version?

9 Car Alan

 

[Eagle]

Is that the 11 car version?

It was 390055 (as mentioned several times in this thread), which was 9 cars last time I checked.

 

[jopsuk]

It probably would, but they used a 9-car one. Mainly because it's been running around as 9-car. The extra 2 are in storage, and whether or not the platforms are long enough won't have been something they were at interested in at this point.

 

[HSTEd]

So East Coast is a bit jittery then.......

Although Pendos doesn't really kill IEP as they aren't getting any electric ones.

 

[sprinterguy]

There was also a Virgin 57 Thunderbird on standby. It was at Newcastle but i am unsure if it followed the Pendo in case of an emergency

It's 57304, I mentioned it back in post no.270 but it's kinda been a bit swamped...

It's booked to be stabled at Newcastle just in case the Pendo needs rescuing from 23:45 last night until 06:47 tomorrow morning.

 

[matt]

A lot(!) of off-topic posts have been removed. Can we try and keep this topic about the Pendolino trials and any thing else in a new thread

 

[scotsman]

It was 390055 and it was 11 car! (According to my source who saw it in Waverley last night)

 

[dave59]

So East Coast is a bit jittery then.......

Although Pendos doesn't really kill IEP as they aren't getting any electric ones.

The DfT need to announce replacement of the 225 fleet with the IEP to make the project bigger and better value - and kill off the Pendolino idea before it gets any further. If the EC Scottish routes north of Edinburgh can be turned over to Scotrail, ICEC could be all electric with a cascade of all ex- InterCity stock. The Hull/Harrogates chould be turned over to open access using eVoyagers or the CSRE Polaris.

 

[scotsman]

The DfT need to announce replacement of the 225 fleet with the IEP to make the project bigger and better value - and kill off the Pendolino idea before it gets any further. If the EC Scottish routes north of Edinburgh can be turned over to Scotrail, ICEC could be all electric with a cascade of all ex- InterCity stock. The Hull/Harrogates chould be turned over to open access using eVoyagers or the CSRE Polaris.

Never let passengers get in the way of running a railway, eh?

Given the rather successful campaign to 'save' the Highland Chieftain, I don't see that idea gaining much momentum. East Coast and everyone who came before them managed to operate two fleets of stock, so why shouldn't the next lot with the bi-mode IEP? (AFIAA, bi-modes will need to be built for the Great Western to Penzance anyway - open to correction)

 

[Zoe]

bi-modes will need to be built for the Great Western to Penzance anyway

HSTs are to be retained on this route.

 

[Martin67]

It was 390055 and it was 11 car! (According to my source who saw it in Waverley last night)

No, it was a 9-car, your source is wrong.

Look, you can count them here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqnD-BRTUPA#t=0m40s

 

[Mike C]

When I saw it at Ferme Park this morning, there were DEFINITELY 9 (NINE) vehicles in the formation.

 

[GNER 373]

No, it was a 9-car, your source is wrong.

Look, you can count them here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqnD-BRTUPA#t=0m40s

Thanks for the link, it was a pleasure to shoot it!

 

[junglejames]

Thanks for the link, it was a pleasure to shoot it!

Crikey. Someone who supposedly loves them, wants to cause more damage to them than i do

 

[MCR247]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ-AXDpsPM4&feature=player_embedded

 

[ash39]

Tried to sweat out my man flu playing 5 a side tonight but i still feel crap. If i knew nobody else had a decent photo of it at York I'd definitely venture out as there could be value in it,plus it'd be a great sight, but chances are people got it last night and have already been on to magazines etc.