Pendolino Question

[Doomotron]

I've heard that later-built coaches like the ones for extending 9-coach ones to 11 are quite different than originals. Is this true, and if so, what are they?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Are they? I haven’t noticed it myself, and I’ve been on Pendolinos many times - in fact I’ve been on all existing fifty six of them! But I cannot say I’ve noticed this.

Having said that, I very rarely stray out of Coaches H and K when I’m on the Pendolinos. Or Quiet Zone A if I’m travelling Standard on a rover or something.

 

[Terry Tait]

No, equally uncomfortable.

 

[hexagon789]

I've heard that later-built coaches like the ones for extending 9-coach ones to 11 are quite different than originals. Is this true, and if so, what are they?

Only slightly, the 11-car had Motor Standard Open (MSO)seating 74 and one Trailer Standard Open (TSO) seating 76 as the extra vehicles. The TSO is present in the 9-car as Coach E but seating 74 and there is no MSO in the 9-car.

The formations were originally -

9-car: DMSO-MSOD-PTSORMB-MSOD-TSO-MFO^-PTFO-MFOD-DMRFO

11-car: DMSO-MSOD-PTSORMB-MSOD-TSO-MSO*-TSO*-MFO-PTFO-MFOD-DMRFO

* additional vehicles in 11-car
^ since converted to standard class

For completeness, it should be remembered the 390s were originally going to be all 8-car, and about 17 entered service as such:

DMSO-MSOD-PTSORMB-MSOD-MFO-PTFO-MFOD-DMRFO

The difference is one less Standard Class car a TSO.

 

[sprinterguy]

For completeness, it should be remembered the 390s were originally going to be all 8-car, and about 17 entered service as such:

Actually the first 34 sets were delivered as 8 car formations (With an equal number of first and standard class vehicles!). They all received their ninth vehicle during 2004 - 05.

The new trailer vehicles on the 11 car sets all feature a transformer, giving the trains three in their formation, but no pantograph, which makes them a little unusual, but other than that there's little to tell the additional vehicles apart from the rest of the formation. I've spent quite a lot of time in Coach U over the years so I'm quite familiar with the newer vehicles.

 

[LOL The Irony]

I think the reformed & new Pendolinos have something about the plug sockets in standard.

 

[hexagon789]

Actually the first 34 sets were delivered as 8 car formations (With an equal number of first and standard class vehicles!). They all received their ninth vehicle during 2004 - 05.

I knew the formation, but I might be known I'd get the number entering service as 8-car wrong.

 

[Kite159]

I think the reformed & new Pendolinos have something about the plug sockets in standard.

Some have received USB sockets in addition to the plug sockets (at table seats)
And some have had the plug socket turned ninety degree.

 

[43096]

Actually the first 34 sets were delivered as 8 car formations (With an equal number of first and standard class vehicles!). They all received their ninth vehicle during 2004 - 05.

The new trailer vehicles on the 11 car sets all feature a transformer, giving the trains three in their formation, but no pantograph, which makes them a little unusual, but other than that there's little to tell the additional vehicles apart from the rest of the formation. I've spent quite a lot of time in Coach U over the years so I'm quite familiar with the newer vehicles.

One of the two extra vehicles in the 11 car sets is a motor car, not a trailer, which is why an additional transformer is needed.

 

[a_c_skinner]

So is the transformer in what looks like an empty pantograph well on one of the new vehicles?

 

[Merle Haggard]

Tangential I know, but earlier in the thread there was reference to the DMRFO (coach K). Does anyone know why it has the R?. In the carriage codes in BR days, R signified a Restaurant coach (where diners sat to eat their meals) - for example, the Mk 1 RUO and RFO coaches had loose seats to make dining easier, but that was all. A kitchen in a catering vehicle code was indicated by K; e.g. RBK which had dining seats, kitchen (and buffet). Meals are served at seat in all the first class coaches of a Pendo., not just coach K; but coach K has a kitchen. Probably 'just one of those things' and trivial, I know...

 

[sprinterguy]

One of the two extra vehicles in the 11 car sets is a motor car, not a trailer, which is why an additional transformer is needed.

I know, which is why I specified that the transformer is on the trailers (i.e. as opposed to the motored vehicles).

 

[hexagon789]

Tangential I know, but earlier in the thread there was reference to the DMRFO (coach K). Does anyone know why it has the R?. In the carriage codes in BR days, R signified a Restaurant coach (where diners sat to eat their meals) - for example, the Mk 1 RUO and RFO coaches had loose seats to make dining easier, but that was all. A kitchen in a catering vehicle code was indicated by K; e.g. RBK which had dining seats, kitchen (and buffet). Meals are served at seat in all the first class coaches of a Pendo., not just coach K; but coach K has a kitchen. Probably 'just one of those things' and trivial, I know...

The 222 Meridians are also coded 'R' for Restaurant in the DMRFO rather than K for kitchen. In fact I'm not sure any modern trains use 'K', opting instead for 'R'.

 

[Merle Haggard]

The 222 Meridians are also coded 'R' for Restaurant in the DMRFO rather than K for kitchen. In fact I'm not sure any modern trains use 'K', opting instead for 'R'.

Thanks for that, and I hadn't noticed the 222s were the same. It is quite amazing, though, that a system introduced by the LNER before the war is still being used and hasn't required that much alteration, apart from innovations such as Battery and Pantograph.

 

[hexagon789]

Thanks for that, and I hadn't noticed the 222s were the same. It is quite amazing, though, that a system introduced by the LNER before the war is still being used and hasn't required that much alteration, apart from innovations such as Battery and Pantograph.

Indeed and actually I was surprised to learn that the 'D' or 'W', used to stand for Disabled/Wheelchair even had an LNER equivalent - 'I' for Invalid, applied to certain open saloon coaches