Pendo on fire?

[37401]

Hi all yesterday when I arrived at Rugby I noticed a 57 dragging a 390 and it had stopped at Rugby, I walked down the plat to grab a fot of the 57 and there were fire crews looking at the motors under the pantograph coach near the rear of the set, anyone know what happend, my guess is it caught fire or something

Hopefully the LHCS will stay out a bit longer now

 

[The_Stig]

I am pretty sure that the Pantograph coach does not have any traction motors.

 

[Ibex]

That 390 just had a loss of power, arrived at Rugby 270' late =D

 

[87031]

Pendo junk.....they wont last

 

[Ibex]

We can live in hope! Anyway I hope the pendo getting dragged i'm on about is the same one you are. I don't remember it happening twice in the last week! Not too sure what the fire brigade attending was for, the toaster probably set the fire alarm off. Heh.

 

[oliverj8]

Talking of Pendos at Rugby, I was on the 16:40 from Euston to Manchester tonight and was going through Rugby but saw a Pendo heading south on the north slow (platform 2) and another heading north on the south fast (platform 4). Does anyone know why these were like this?
cheers

 

[Bittern]

Pendo junk.....they wont last

Stand still while I kill you.

 

[MCR247]

Stand still while I kill you.

Thanks for saving me a job tomorrow. I can sleep well and have a lie-in now.

 

[Daimler]

Pendo junk.....they wont last

Fingers crossed. I took the 'Pretendolino' today. Goodness it was an improvement. Real comfort.

 

[Ibex]

Nice! Would have been awesome to have seen all the older stock done up to make a whole new army of pretendolinos. It looks a bit stupid with the ScotRail livery 90 on it though.

 

[87031]

Thanks for saving me a job tomorrow. I can sleep well and have a lie-in now.

i love the anti pendo threads....just face it most enthusiasts hate them and vomiters
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Stand still while I kill you.

ha ha your wound up easy.....next your gona tell me you bash voyagers

thats a whole new thread!:roll:

 

[156499]

Great, another pendo off the rails horrid contraptions :@

 

[Kingfisher200262]

This incident raises an important question, in relation to asset risk. If Pendos suddenly started collapsing to the point where they needed replacing, we're talking about AN EMORMOUS amount of required (and unplanned) new investment in the railway. One would like to think that this would fall at the door of the encumbent TOC or the asset owning ROSCO, but it wouldn't.

When the next West Coast franchise is up for renewal (2012?) if Pendos were failing, ALL THE FRANCHISE BIDDERS WOULD KNOW THIS and would factor this in to their bids for the franchise. Who would pick up the bill? The tax payer.

Now, this brings me on to the point of this posting. Are EMUs a good idea for inter city trains?

Now, my own answer to this is yes, but only if they work reliably throughout their life cycle of thirty years or so. If not, then isn't a loco hauled solution better? Imagine if the Class 91 had started to fall apart ten years in.

Eventually somebody would have had to take it on the chin and buy some new locos, but they would not have had the enormous investment of replacing the entire train sets.

So, is IEP a good idea, or would electric / diesel / electro-diesel locos and Mk V coaches be a much better and lower risk solution?

 

[asylumxl]

The Pendos, are supposedly one of the hardest worked trains in Britain. There is an article in Modern Railways which gives details of the second phase overhaul.

So a few failures for such huge distances covered isn't exactly a failure.

Does anyone have any proof that Locomotives are more reliable than multiple units?

 

[MCR247]

This incident raises an important question, in relation to asset risk. If Pendos suddenly started collapsing to the point where they needed replacing, we're talking about AN EMORMOUS amount of required (and unplanned) new investment in the railway. One would like to think that this would fall at the door of the encumbent TOC or the asset owning ROSCO, but it wouldn't.

When the next West Coast franchise is up for renewal (2012?) if Pendos were failing, ALL THE FRANCHISE BIDDERS WOULD KNOW THIS and would factor this in to their bids for the franchise. Who would pick up the bill? The tax payer.

Now, this brings me on to the point of this posting. Are EMUs a good idea for inter city trains?

Now, my own answer to this is yes, but only if they work reliably throughout their life cycle of thirty years or so. If not, then isn't a loco hauled solution better? Imagine if the Class 91 had started to fall apart ten years in.

Eventually somebody would have had to take it on the chin and buy some new locos, but they would not have had the enormous investment of replacing the entire train sets.

So, is IEP a good idea, or would electric / diesel / electro-diesel locos and Mk V coaches be a much better and lower risk solution?

Who said they were all falling apart?

 

[SouthEastern-465]

i love the anti pendo threads....just face it most enthusiasts hate them and vomiters
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ha ha your wound up easy.....next your gona tell me you bash voyagers

thats a whole new thread!:roll:

I like Class 220s & 221s there quite handsome if you dont mind me saying

 

[royaloak]

Have you ever travelled on one with "normal" loading conditions?

By "normal" I mean crammed full!

 

[142094]

I've travelled by Pendo a couple of times, and have to say that the journey wasn't too good or bad. One time I was sitting with no view out the window, and with the high seats it makes the carriage very claustrophobic.

If I was ever doing London - Glasgow, I'd probably do it all on the ECML and would pay more to not travel by Pendo.

 

[Bittern]

i love the anti pendo threads....just face it most enthusiasts hate them and vomiters
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---


ha ha your wound up easy.....next your gona tell me you bash voyagers

thats a whole new thread!:roll:

Why would I bash Voyagers? I like them.
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i love the anti pendo threads....just face it most enthusiasts hate them and vomiters

Your opinion is not fact. Understand this.

 

[37401]

oh yeah here is a photo of it: http://rusty-264.fotopic.net/p62977108.html

 

[87031]

I've travelled by Pendo a couple of times, and have to say that the journey wasn't too good or bad. One time I was sitting with no view out the window, and with the high seats it makes the carriage very claustrophobic.

If I was ever doing London - Glasgow, I'd probably do it all on the ECML and would pay more to not travel by Pendo.

its not so much the height of the seats its the windows that are too low and small and the seats are like rocks to sit on anyway, ECML would be the only way to go to Scotland for me

 

[transportphoto]

I personally have only traveled on a class 390 about five times - the journeys I have done BHM to EUS and MAN to EUS have been partially enjoyable as the amount of people on board give quite a few phone calls to listen in to! However I agree that they are very cramped!

 

[Failed Unit]

The Pendos, are supposedly one of the hardest worked trains in Britain. There is an article in Modern Railways which gives details of the second phase overhaul.

So a few failures for such huge distances covered isn't exactly a failure.

Does anyone have any proof that Locomotives are more reliable than multiple units?

Depends how you look at it.

The Modern Railways article cover this had the Voyagers as the more reliable than the class 91 and mk4. But in thier IC catergory (which the Voyagers were excluded) But the 91+Mk4 and some HST's were more reliable than the pendo.

Back to your point, the flexibility is the main reason that people say that the loco's + coaches are more reliable than the MU. Brake problems on an EMU, that is the whole set out of service, on a coach set you can short form just take that coach out. Likewise electrical problems, swap the loco, whereas on an multiple unit you have lost the set. You may be lucky and be able to mix and match but although loco + coaches seems to do better just because you don't lose the whole set with a small failure. Having a 2+7 HST is better than a cancelled set.

Unfortunately as we are not really comparing like with like it is hard to provide conclusive evidence. EMU tend to be the most reliable fleets in the UK, be it the 321's, 357's or Desiro's

 

[Dreadnought]

Talking of Pendos at Rugby, I was on the 16:40 from Euston to Manchester tonight and was going through Rugby but saw a Pendo heading south on the north slow (platform 2) and another heading north on the south fast (platform 4). Does anyone know why these were like this?
cheers

Was at Rugby in the evening and saw 390028 with 57311 attached waiting to head north in P4. It destination indicators stated it was 1A41 which is a Manchester - London service. I asked and was told it had an OLE incident in the Kilsby tunnel area and had been dragged back to Rugby P4 where the passengers were transferred to another service on P2 to continue their journey to London.

 

[Kingfisher200262]

Depends how you look at it.

The Modern Railways article cover this had the Voyagers as the more reliable than the class 91 and mk4. But in thier IC catergory (which the Voyagers were excluded) But the 91+Mk4 and some HST's were more reliable than the pendo.

Back to your point, the flexibility is the main reason that people say that the loco's + coaches are more reliable than the MU. Brake problems on an EMU, that is the whole set out of service, on a coach set you can short form just take that coach out. Likewise electrical problems, swap the loco, whereas on an multiple unit you have lost the set. You may be lucky and be able to mix and match but although loco + coaches seems to do better just because you don't lose the whole set with a small failure. Having a 2+7 HST is better than a cancelled set.

Unfortunately as we are not really comparing like with like it is hard to provide conclusive evidence. EMU tend to be the most reliable fleets in the UK, be it the 321's, 357's or Desiro's

The point I was attempting (and failing) to make was that in the case of a Class that turns out to be a complete dog, it's cheaper to replace some of it as you could with loco and coaches, than all of it (as in the case of Pendolinos, or to take an actual case, the Met Camm Pullmans).

 

[Failed Unit]

The point I was attempting (and failing) to make was that in the case of a Class that turns out to be a complete dog, it's cheaper to replace some of it as you could with loco and coaches, than all of it (as in the case of Pendolinos, or to take an actual case, the Met Camm Pullmans).

I see your point, if you are mega short of 91's like GNER once where you can use 90's to pull your coaches. If you are short of MU's you are in trouble. I remember when BR had the wrong type of snow 47's were used to keep the line going as 91's were dying all over the place until the mods were done. Saying that I think the Southern region dragger around some MU's as well. Not sure if the Pendo is a dog, compared to say a pacer. Yes they are not everyones cup of tea but they do work, most of the time.

 

[asylumxl]

They're perfectly acceptable trains fit for their purpose: getting from London to Glasgow as fast and as safetly as possible within the restraints imposed.

 

[oliverj8]

Was at Rugby in the evening and saw 390028 with 57311 attached waiting to head north in P4. It destination indicators stated it was 1A41 which is a Manchester - London service. I asked and was told it had an OLE incident in the Kilsby tunnel area and had been dragged back to Rugby P4 where the passengers were transferred to another service on P2 to continue their journey to London.

So how come my train didn't have any problems during the journey around Rugby? (well apart from the fact it was limited to 110mph for the whole journey because of a tilt fault :roll

 

[37401]

Was at Rugby in the evening and saw 390028 with 57311 attached waiting to head north in P4. It destination indicators stated it was 1A41 which is a Manchester - London service. I asked and was told it had an OLE incident in the Kilsby tunnel area and had been dragged back to Rugby P4 where the passengers were transferred to another service on P2 to continue their journey to London.

the pendo in question was 39002x, wonder if it was the same one?

 

[LWB]

(sorry- trouble posting pics)