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12CSVT
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I hope you never have to alight from a train at St Pancras FCC platforms during the evening peak.
deltic1989
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Since the 'blockers' are committing a bylaw offence would S3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967 come into play?
ralphchadkirk
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You'd struggle to justify that pushing someone off a train was a reasonable way of preventing the crime. Wolfie is right - you could easily find yourself facing an assault, battery or ABH charge.
MattRobinson
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I've had the issue a few times where I've been stood by the side of a door and someone has got off the train and decides that they're going to push through rather than walking through the gap that has been left. I can't fathom it!
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Buttsy
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Unlike Reading every morning where you have to make a gap as everyone going to London doesn't seem to give a **** that they can't get on until we've got off...
Class20
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This is a common problem to be found all across the country, with both trains and buses, and I've experienced this on many occasions, on both ends of the problem.
Alighting from a TPE service at Sheffield, I had a bag on the luggage rack so I waited till every one else had alighted before I made my move to get it and leave. I wasn't that far behind every once else but by the time I got to the door I was met with a solid wall of people trying to get on.
But of course, that is one issue with this. People waiting to get on a train have no idea how many people are getting off. So when the procession of people getting off the train tails off its hard to know if that's everyone or whether there are still people fighting with bags and luggage. You can only answer that by getting on the train, by which time you find you're self in the way.
Its also a challenge on buses. Bus operators always say that passengers must remain seated till the bus has come to a complete stop. That's great, but when it does stop the driver will open the doors straight away allowing people to get on before other people have had the chance to get out of their seats.
Alighting from a TPE service at Sheffield, I had a bag on the luggage rack so I waited till every one else had alighted before I made my move to get it and leave. I wasn't that far behind every once else but by the time I got to the door I was met with a solid wall of people trying to get on.
But of course, that is one issue with this. People waiting to get on a train have no idea how many people are getting off. So when the procession of people getting off the train tails off its hard to know if that's everyone or whether there are still people fighting with bags and luggage. You can only answer that by getting on the train, by which time you find you're self in the way.
Its also a challenge on buses. Bus operators always say that passengers must remain seated till the bus has come to a complete stop. That's great, but when it does stop the driver will open the doors straight away allowing people to get on before other people have had the chance to get out of their seats.
Stephen55a1960
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I have a bright red (yes really!!) standard issue NHS wheelchair! I've often wondered how I can make myself more visible
? I use TPE services to/from Manchester Piccadilly (originating in Leeds). At both stations, I've witnessed hordes trying to get on (whilst someone's getting the ramp out). To be fair, I have seen passengers get annoyed with their fellow travellers.
Giugiaro
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This kind of problem also applies to my country in several times, but since earlier in the first Metro do Porto services that there was a concern about making boardings easier and less problematic.
Both stocks of Metro do Porto have in their doors this sign:
"Antes the entrar, deixe sair." Stands for: "Before getting on, let them get off first."
Since then people have realise how easier it is to board the train after those who want to hope off have left the train. Normally in Trindade, the core of our Metro system, people gather on the sides of the door making a gap right in front of it.
When someone gets in front of the doors or tries to force himself in when someone is getting of the train, most people would repeat what is written in the door ("Deixe sair primeiro!" - Let them get out first!).
If you're the one to force yourself in, you get to a strange atmosphere where everyone looks at you as a selfish and rude person!
This is being transferred to our "Overground" service in the areas near Oporto. With those who are inexperienced with the Metro, they just try to get on the train no matter if there are people getting off first, specially in peak hours.
On buses there is no problem, since all buses have two doors, being the front one used to get on the bus, and the remaining used to get off the bus.
One thing that I think we should adopt everywhere would the the "Stand on the right" rule on escalators. Sometimes in peak hours it's difficult to move around because everyone stand whenever they want in the escalators, and you need to zigzag around to get to the platform.
On London I remember being scolded by a passenger when I was standing on the left side of the escalator on the Jubilee line. In Portugal no one cares about this.
Both stocks of Metro do Porto have in their doors this sign:
"Antes the entrar, deixe sair." Stands for: "Before getting on, let them get off first."
Since then people have realise how easier it is to board the train after those who want to hope off have left the train. Normally in Trindade, the core of our Metro system, people gather on the sides of the door making a gap right in front of it.
When someone gets in front of the doors or tries to force himself in when someone is getting of the train, most people would repeat what is written in the door ("Deixe sair primeiro!" - Let them get out first!).
If you're the one to force yourself in, you get to a strange atmosphere where everyone looks at you as a selfish and rude person!
This is being transferred to our "Overground" service in the areas near Oporto. With those who are inexperienced with the Metro, they just try to get on the train no matter if there are people getting off first, specially in peak hours.
On buses there is no problem, since all buses have two doors, being the front one used to get on the bus, and the remaining used to get off the bus.
One thing that I think we should adopt everywhere would the the "Stand on the right" rule on escalators. Sometimes in peak hours it's difficult to move around because everyone stand whenever they want in the escalators, and you need to zigzag around to get to the platform.
On London I remember being scolded by a passenger when I was standing on the left side of the escalator on the Jubilee line. In Portugal no one cares about this.
Phil6219
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It's very strange regarding London as everywhere else in the UK seems to have a "Stand on the Left" policy. Though these days it's more of a "Stand in the middle chatting to the person in front and ignore the stream of people behind you" policy...
Phil
I was waiting to get off a Victoria Line train at Green Park the other week, and the platform staff told somebody who had jumped on without waiting, to step off and allow the others to leave the train first! He did so, with minor embarrassment!
As a First Class commuter, it can be irritating when people stand around the First Class cabin and block the doors, which I find to be a frequent occurence on the morning services to London. The 0724 Letchworth to King's Cross is worked with a 321, which has two separate first class booths separated by a standing area. Why do people walk all the way up to stand in between the First Class end, when there is ample room down the train?
As a First Class commuter, it can be irritating when people stand around the First Class cabin and block the doors, which I find to be a frequent occurence on the morning services to London. The 0724 Letchworth to King's Cross is worked with a 321, which has two separate first class booths separated by a standing area. Why do people walk all the way up to stand in between the First Class end, when there is ample room down the train?
Harbon 1
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The funniest thing I saw was about 25 people fighting amongst themselves to get on first, then when the doors were unlocked, they just stared at them. It took 10 seconds for someone to realise that someone had to push the button 
. I laughed and went to the next set of doors.
Edit- I was stood behind the crowd, I wouldn't barge on :P
. I laughed and went to the next set of doors.Edit- I was stood behind the crowd, I wouldn't barge on :P
Tomonthetrain
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It seems like a rugby match at Birminghams 2 Snow hill stations. Everyone forming a scrum to get on.
CROUCH
TOUCH
PAUSE
ENGAGE!!
CROUCH
TOUCH
PAUSE
ENGAGE!!
OMG thats exactly what happens to me on 377s :-x
It would be better if they did what East Coast do and designate an entire carriage (or carriages) just to First Class. FCC put First Class compartments at both ends of their 365 and 317 units. But if there aren't any seats, you have to walk all the way down the other end of the train, and the doors are cluttered on peak time services.
Two weeks ago, I was on the 0735 Stevenage to King's Cross, running direct to Finsbury Park. Boarded at Letchworth and it was worked by a 317. There were three other customers in First Class, all of whom were regulars. However, upon arrival at Stevenage, about twenty people all came into the cabin, leaving about half standing. Quite a wasted First Class fare!
Do you mean East Anglia as EC dont have 317s?
transmanche
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He didn't say that they did. He was suggesting that FCC could "designate an entire carriage (or carriages) just to First Class" rather than spreading it across the train.
Though that would lead to an increase in first class and decrease in standard class. There is perhaps an argument for putting first class all in the same place (like on 450s for example) but converting an entire carriage on a commuter train is not a good idea.
I was under the impression that 458s have it at both ends?
transmanche
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I think you, and I and everyone else know exactly what was meant...
Sorry I meant specific end(s).
Peter Mugridge
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Maybe they are hoping in vain that the staff will offer a free upgrade "because of the crowding"...
The way we're going on the Great Northern, they'll probably be asking for free window seats in the drivers cab.....
Likewise, I would support such a motion if FCC could make up the lost coach in Standard. I highly doubt they would increase First Class capacity at a cost to Standard Class customers. Mind you, this is FCC, so everyone sits in First Class anyway!
Having First Class at one end only is probably the more preferable solution.
I always get the end wrong though. In FCC I often stand at the wrong end of the platform as there are often no indication on the station boards which end 1st is in
I always get the end wrong though. In FCC I often stand at the wrong end of the platform as there are often no indication on the station boards which end 1st is in
Are you on the Great Northern or Thameslink?
I'm on the GN.
For a 365 Networker there will be First Class at both ends. It will normally be at the front on the 321s and in the middle for the 317s. Mind you, the quality of the 317s is so shabby I wouldn't bother!
Peter Mugridge
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Don't forget about their 12 car rakes as well!
Heck, you have got your work cut out over on Thameslink!
Mind you, I've never done the Thameslink, what's the First Class like?
This is the First Class Interior of a 321, which is arguably the best over on the GN.
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4148/4985906647_71b6fe94e2_z.jpg
Or the 365 Networker, seen here:
http://www.therailwaycentre.com/News Photo File/365first.jpg
Mind you, I've never done the Thameslink, what's the First Class like?
This is the First Class Interior of a 321, which is arguably the best over on the GN.
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4148/4985906647_71b6fe94e2_z.jpg
Or the 365 Networker, seen here:
http://www.therailwaycentre.com/News Photo File/365first.jpg
1st has nice springy seats 
But the doors often whack into people as they are very loose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:319427_B_First_Class_Interior.JPG
But the doors often whack into people as they are very loose.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:319427_B_First_Class_Interior.JPG
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