Partington/Carrington rail freight terminal

[richard_S]

When will network rail put in lines to make this happen it will take the strain off the Castlefield corridor?
https://www.tramseat.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/castlefield.pdf
It would provide jobs and help cope with the rise of freight going onto rail transport.

 

[waverley47]

When will network rail put in lines to make this happen it will take the strain off the Castlefield corridor?
https://www.tramseat.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/castlefield.pdf
It would provide jobs and help cope with the rise of freight going onto rail transport.

Right

For it to provide jobs, it would have to create more demand than there is currently, whilst having more capacity than there is currently, thereby increasing the amount of trade via rail by more than the volume of freight switching from road. Whether or not it does that is not for me to say, and nobody here could answer without a study to determine the answer.

Will Network Rail spend the money? Unlikely without the aforementioned study.

Will it happen? No.

1. It's a lot of new infrastructure required in an area in which land is relatively expensive and new infrastructure is difficult to build.

2. You'd have to have the capacity there on the Altrincham route, which there isn't without redoubling, and although that is probably needed anyway, there isn't the money to do so.

3. If you were going to build new infrastructure, you'd do it directly from the WCML to the CLC, which would be a shorter distance of new route required, further outside Manchester where land is cheaper, and even then, there are far more valuable interventions elsewhere with the limited budget available.

Overall, this is a worthwhile scheme, but it's not the best solution to this problem, and it's not the most pressing problem around.

 

[BeijingDave]

Right

For it to provide jobs, it would have to create more demand than there is currently, whilst having more capacity than there is currently, thereby increasing the amount of trade via rail by more than the volume of freight switching from road. Whether or not it does that is not for me to say, and nobody here could answer without a study to determine the answer.

Will Network Rail spend the money? Unlikely without the aforementioned study.

Will it happen? No.

1. It's a lot of new infrastructure required in an area in which land is relatively expensive and new infrastructure is difficult to build.

2. You'd have to have the capacity there on the Altrincham route, which there isn't without redoubling, and although that is probably needed anyway, there isn't the money to do so.

3. If you were going to build new infrastructure, you'd do it directly from the WCML to the CLC, which would be a shorter distance of new route required, further outside Manchester where land is cheaper, and even then, there are far more valuable interventions elsewhere with the limited budget available.

Overall, this is a worthwhile scheme, but it's not the best solution to this problem, and it's not the most pressing problem around.

Any investment creates jobs, at least temporarily, and that in turn increases spending in the economy.

(Macroeconomics 101: The Keynesian Multiplier/Circular Flow of Income)

 

[childwallblues]

Going west from Carrington you come to Glazebrook Junction on the CLC. There are no southbound connections of this line.
Could a solution be the long closed line from Skelton Junction to Warrington Arpley?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Going west from Carrington you come to Glazebrook Junction on the CLC. There are no southbound connections of this line.
Could a solution be the long closed line from Skelton Junction to Warrington Arpley?

No, that route has been built on at both ends, notably by the M6 widening at Thelwall, and the rest of the route has been converted into the Trans-Pennine Trail.
On the other hand, NPR has to create a route through the area between Warrington BQ LL and HS2 at Rostherne.

One solution to the Trafford Park/Castlefield problem was to be a new connection from the Chat Moss route to Port Salford on the MSC.
What happened to that?

 

[Lost property]

I'm sure the reinstatement of the line from Skelton Jnc -W.Timperley -Carrington has been proposed before to alleviate traffic on the Carrington spur...and was met with howls of indignation from various NIMBY groups. Also, there was a plan to develop Carrington into a new "des res " area....and a heritage line has also been mentioned.

The Broadheath option has long gone, now a housing estate at Moss Lane, no bridge over the A56 and multiple units around Atlantic St.

But, I've always found it intriguing, that, there was a considerable amount of track left intact on the W.Timp.line and the two most obvious bridges, over the canal and the A56 also remained.

 

[richard_S]

No, that route has been built on at both ends, notably by the M6 widening at Thelwall, and the rest of the route has been converted into the Trans-Pennine Trail.
On the other hand, NPR has to create a route through the area between Warrington BQ LL and HS2 at Rostherne.

One solution to the Trafford Park/Castlefield problem was to be a new connection from the Chat Moss route to Port Salford on the MSC.
What happened to that?

From what I have heard is the airport say that overhead lines could cause a danger to aircraft taking off and landing. So its at a standstill.

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I'm sure the reinstatement of the line from Skelton Jnc -W.Timperley -Carrington has been proposed before to alleviate traffic on the Carrington spur...and was met with howls of indignation from various NIMBY groups. Also, there was a plan to develop Carrington into a new "des res " area....and a heritage line has also been mentioned.

The Broadheath option has long gone, now a housing estate at Moss Lane, no bridge over the A56 and multiple units around Atlantic St.

But, I've always found it intriguing, that, there was a considerable amount of track left intact on the W.Timp.line and the two most obvious bridges, over the canal and the A56 also remained.

When I was last there the signal just before the line went over the canal was still lit at red.

I have just found this https://ilovemanchester.com/atlantic-gateway-project-salford-approved-infrastructure-development

What quizzes me is how will ships turn round or will they have to sail backwards out to sea???

 

[LickeyIncliner]

Any investment creates jobs, at least temporarily, and that in turn increases spending in the economy.

(Macroeconomics 101: The Keynesian Multiplier/Circular Flow of Income)

Not if the money invested in your scheme has simply been taken away from someone else's scheme!

 

[Ayrshire Roy]

From what I have heard is the airport say that overhead lines could cause a danger to aircraft taking off and landing. So its at a standstill.

Overhead lines don't cause a problem for Prestwick Airport where the Ayrshire Coast Line runs under the approach lights at the end of the runway.
Glasgow Airport also has the Inverclyde line run near the end of the runway there.
If an aircraft is anywhere near overhead lines then it has major problems going on so it's a bit of an odd statement from them.

 

[samrammstein]

Manchester Airport already has overhead lines very nearby, actually passing through the approach lighting for runway 23R, with a tripwire just incase anyone gets too low. Not sure what the airport is on about with that one!

 

[snowball]

Manchester Airport already has overhead lines very nearby, actually passing through the approach lighting for runway 23R, with a tripwire just incase anyone gets too low. Not sure what the airport is on about with that one!

This is not Manchester Airport we're talking about, but the far smaller airfield/aerodrome/airport at Barton, west of Manchester, south of the Chat Moss line and adjacent to the A57. It seems to be currently known as City Airport & Manchester Heliport.

According to this separate current thread, the problem may be solved by altering the runways.