Oyster Photocard possibly withdrawn

[mkeallison]

Alright guys, here's an issue I just ran into. My cousin borrowed my oyster photocard which had both the 16+ discount and the employee dependant discount on it. I gave it to him reluctantly(that doesn't matter does it?), and he went on the overground and got caught. It was taken off him. Am I screwed over totally as well as the employee who I got the discount from?

 

[PermitToTravel]

(that doesn't matter does it?)

No, that shouldn't make a difference.

I don't know about staff travel facilities, someone else here will be able to fill you in. I'd be surprised if disciplinary action wasn't a possibility though, it would be in any other industry.

 

[mkeallison]

No, that shouldn't make a difference.

I don't know about staff travel facilities, someone else here will be able to fill you in. I'd be surprised if disciplinary action wasn't a possibility though, it would be in any other industry.

If I call them up tomorrow and explain it can I get off with a fine? (Perhaps saying he took my oyster without permission). I'm really bummed about this.

 

[Anvil1984]

If I call them up tomorrow and explain it can I get off with a fine? (Perhaps saying he took my oyster without permission). I'm really bummed about this.

And therefore get your cousin into deeper trouble (taking an item without consent) ane not take any of the blame yoursel

 

[6Gman]

If I call them up tomorrow and explain it can I get off with a fine? (Perhaps saying he took my oyster without permission). I'm really bummed about this.

But that would be a lie wouldn't it? Which would lengthen the charge sheet further ...

 

[PermitToTravel]

Being honest, it might work. It will almost certainly get one of you into a lot more trouble.

Only you'll know if it's compatible with your moral compass.

 

[tony6499]

No, that shouldn't make a difference.

I don't know about staff travel facilities, someone else here will be able to fill you in. I'd be surprised if disciplinary action wasn't a possibility though, it would be in any other industry.

Gross misconduct for misusing staff travel facilities , usually resulting in dismissal

 

[PermitToTravel]

Gross misconduct for misusing staff travel facilities , usually resulting in dismissal

I thought so - no lenience shown for it being a dependent rather than an employee?
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mkeallison, I would also suggest that you tell the member of railstaff in question - I can imagine they'd be happier to hear it from you than from their boss. They might also have some advice on how to handle it

 

[mkeallison]

I thought so - no lenience shown for it being a dependent rather than an employee?
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mkeallison, I would also suggest that you tell the member of railstaff in question - I can imagine they'd be happier to hear it from you than from their boss. They might also have some advice on how to handle it

I have. This is quite a quandary. Saying he took it without permission because he assumed it was a regular oyster and he doesn't live in London should,mitigate it right? Because that's true. I gave it to him in that I knew he had taken it but didn't go get it from him instantly. He's already gotten into a lot of trouble from his step mom(the employee in question)

 

[PermitToTravel]

I have. This is quite a quandary. Saying he took it without permission because he assumed it was a regular oyster and he doesn't live in London should,mitigate it right? Because that's true. I gave it to him in that I knew he had taken it but didn't go get it from him instantly. He's already gotten into a lot of trouble from his step mom(the employee in question)

It's got your photograph on it. It was probably also in a wallet next to a photocard. They're not stupid.

 

[CyrusWuff]

It may be different for TfL, but on National Rail, abuse of dependent travel facilities is usually handled by a permanent withdrawal of facilities from the dependent, but it's up to the employer to decide whether to institute disciplinary proceedings against the employee.

Details on the Rail Staff Travel part of the ATOC site.

 

[Deerfold]

What company is the employee discount from (if you don't want to say, what type of company)?

A normal TfL Staff or Nominee card cannot also have a 16+ discount on as they cannot have PAYG credit added.

Most TfL employees who use non-LO trains have a personal Oyster card for making these journeys.

 

[mkeallison]

What company is the employee discount from (if you don't want to say, what type of company)?

A normal TfL Staff or Nominee card cannot also have a 16+ discount on as they cannot have PAYG credit added.

Most TfL employees who use non-LO trains have a personal Oyster card for making these journeys.

Works for London Underground. The dude was caught on the overground. I really just want to get off with a fine at most

 

[yorkie]

If I call them up tomorrow and explain it can I get off with a fine?

What do you mean by "get off with a fine?" If you're worried about the legislation theoretically allowing for a prison sentence, I can't imagine there is any prospect of that!

I'm not sure what offence you might be charged with, but pleading guilty won't result in a harsher punishment than a fine.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

In my experience, most railway Companies are consistently strict in matters involving the abuse of privileges.

I'm not sure what offence you might be charged with, but pleading guilty won't result in a harsher punishment than a fine.

There have been successful prosecutions of aiding and abetting another person in fraudulent fare evasion after having permitted the other person to use the accused's pass and/or ticket.

 

[mkeallison]

What do you mean by "get off with a fine?" If you're worried about the legislation theoretically allowing for a prison sentence, I can't imagine there is any prospect of that!

I'm not sure what offence you might be charged with, but pleading guilty won't result in a harsher punishment than a fine.

No not the prison sentence. I want my oyster back, that's all. Also, he wasn't supposed to be in the overground in the first place. He was supposed to be taking a walk to a pound shop or something(that's what he told us)

 

[PermitToTravel]

What yorkie is alluding to is that "fines" can only be issued by courts. Any money you would have to pay TfL would be an out of court settlement, which can be thought of as essentially a bribe for them not taking you to court.

 

[island]

No not the prison sentence. I want my oyster back, that's all. Also, he wasn't supposed to be in the overground in the first place. He was supposed to be taking a walk to a pound shop or something(that's what he told us)

Why would he need your Oyster photocard to walk to a pound shop? :/

I agree with the above posters that honesty is the best policy.

 

[mkeallison]

Why would he need your Oyster photocard to walk to a pound shop? :/

I agree with the above posters that honesty is the best policy.

He wasn't supposed to have my oyster. He had been badgering me all morning for it. He took it from my wallet and I forgot to r retrieve it. Then he got on a train to Barking,for,some reason. A 14 year old on a train without supervision and no one knowing where he was(a different matter entirely)

 

[Mojo]

He wasn't supposed to have my oyster. He had been badgering me all morning for it. He took it from my wallet and I forgot to r retrieve it. Then he got on a train to Barking,for,some reason. A 14 year old on a train without supervision and no one knowing where he was(a different matter entirely)

If he was a fourteen year old then I'd say that TfL's prosecutions policy makes it extremely unlikely that they would follow through with a prosecution on either you, or him. As someone who is reasonably familiar with London Underground and TfL's policies for staff conduct and use of staff travel facilities then it is pretty much certain that they will not be disciplined, but they may decide to withdraw your dependent benefits for a year. This is of course assuming that there is nothing you are not telling us (eg. that this has happened several times before!)

 

[Deerfold]

I gave it to him reluctantly(that doesn't matter does it?), and he went on the overground and got caught.

He wasn't supposed to have my oyster. He had been badgering me all morning for it. He took it from my wallet and I forgot to r retrieve it. Then he got on a train to Barking,for,some reason.

Did you give it to him or did he take it?

Did the card have a 16+ discount on as well as being a staff nominee?

 

[Mojo]

Did the card have a 16+ discount on as well as being a staff nominee?

Will wait for the OP to respond, but sounds to me as if it was a 16+ Oyster Photocard with Priv discount added.

 

[mkeallison]

Will wait for the OP to respond, but sounds to me as if it was a 16+ Oyster Photocard with Priv discount added.

Yes it was. This has never happened before
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Yes it was. This has never happened before

Btw, is the any chance of getting my oyster back


New Post: I called them up and got issued a replacement. They said there's no problem and that they'd reinstate the discounts etc.
I'm guessing that's done then?

 

[island]

Yes it was. This has never happened before
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Btw, is the any chance of getting my oyster back

Depends. Please answer Deerfold's question.

 

[mkeallison]

Depends. Please answer Deerfold's question.

I did. I said it had both a 16 + discount,and dependant privilege on it. I've ordered a replacement anyway and,they said it was fine.

 

[island]

I did. I said it had both a 16 + discount,and dependant privilege on it. I've ordered a replacement anyway and,they said it was fine.

The question was:

Did you give it to him or did he take it?

 

[mkeallison]

The question was:

He took it (snatched it after a long argument about it and tossed,my wallet to me), I went "#&%@ it" and let him. So I guess I have it to him in that sense.

 

[tony6499]

Have you told the person who works for TfL yet ? Maybe they should know so they're not caught cold when asked about it

 

[MyFriendMary]

Also, one hopes, you told Tfl (or whoever the replacement is with) that it isn't "lost" but was withdrawn by a member of staff due to travel irregularities.



If it was the first, you might be about to open up another can of serious worms

 

[Andrewlong]

He took it (snatched it after a long argument about it and tossed,my wallet to me), I went "#&%@ it" and let him. So I guess I have it to him in that sense.

And will Op take steps in future to ensure they are are more careful about who does and doesn't use their travel card ?