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Oyster PAYG price query

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dcmbarton

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On Friday I travelled from Watford Jct to Euston with an Oyster Card. The price as I expected was £4.10. While I was in London, I added my railcard to the Oyster. I touched back in at Euston at 18:51 so still peak times. The single peak fare shows as £6.90. I was charged £5.40, and I can't quite work out how they arrive at this fare?

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I believe it's due to the fact that you hit the off-peak price cap for railcards (this is applicable even in the evening peak :) )
 

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Yes, £9.50 is the off-peak price cap with railcard to Watford Junction from zone 1. It looks like it's ignored the fact that you didn't have a railcard recorded when you made the initial journey so the overall price paid is the same as you would have paid had you already had the railcard recorded at the start. Bargain!
 

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Thanks - I thought it would be something like that. I was cross with myself because I had completely forgotten that a peak fare would apply on the return journey!
 

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Yes, £9.50 is the off-peak price cap with railcard to Watford Junction from zone 1. It looks like it's ignored the fact that you didn't have a railcard recorded when you made the initial journey so the overall price paid is the same as you would have paid had you already had the railcard recorded at the start. Bargain!

I think this would have been the case. I reckon it is just a flag to be set on the card as to whether a railcard discount entitlement is there or not when checking for the application of caps. I'll give you two examples.

The first time I put my entitlement on Oyster, I forgot to do it at the beginning. Travelled around south London (outside Zone 1) for a bit before I remembered and then registered the discount. I hadn't hit the off-peak Zone 2-6 cap then yet and journeys later on that day confirmed that the cap was applied at £3.35, the correct level.

Last November I again forgot to register the discount when I got to London. Got around on a few buses and capped at £3.90, then realised what I'd done (or rather not done) and rushed to get it registered. As I was over the off-peak Zone 1-2 day cap (£3.70), my day capped at that (as I believe it does not refund). Overpaid by 20p due to my brains not working properly.
 

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I think this would have been the case. I reckon it is just a flag to be set on the card as to whether a railcard discount entitlement is there or not when checking for the application of caps. .

I'm pretty sure it must record the railcard expiry date as well
 

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I'm pretty sure it must record the railcard expiry date as well

Yes it does. And it won't refund any overpayment if your travel suddenly becomes eligible for a cheaper cap, although that is very rarely possible. There used to be a problem if you started the day on 4 buses and then triggered the old zone 2-6 cap with a railcard, but the demise of the excluding zone 1 caps put an end to that problem.
 

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I'm pretty sure it must record the railcard expiry date as well

Yes of course. I don't think I expressed myself very well.

Yes it does. And it won't refund any overpayment if your travel suddenly becomes eligible for a cheaper cap, although that is very rarely possible. There used to be a problem if you started the day on 4 buses and then triggered the old zone 2-6 cap with a railcard, but the demise of the excluding zone 1 caps put an end to that problem.

I'm sure that it was fixed in January 2010. In 2009 you would have been capped at £3.30 for four buses, yet if you included a tube outside Zone 1 then you're capped at £3.05(?).

Last year the cap was set correctly at £3.35 if you rode along on the buses all day. I have printed statements to prove it.
 
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