Nottingham59
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The risk might have been high but it was clearly not recognised, and as far as I can see there was no contingency for Botley Road.presumably the risk / contingency was high for Botley Road in the first place,
The risk might have been high but it was clearly not recognised, and as far as I can see there was no contingency for Botley Road.presumably the risk / contingency was high for Botley Road in the first place,
The only contingency was not doing the work at all.The risk might have been high but it was clearly not recognised, and as far as I can see there was no contingency for Botley Road.
By contingency I was meaning budget for unforeseen items. No way could the contingency in the budget cover what actually happened ..The risk might have been high but it was clearly not recognised, and as far as I can see there was no contingency for Botley Road.
The nature of risk and contingency is that you don't know exactly what you're planning for. That's why there's often lots of preliminary investigative works, to try and mitigate the risks.The risk might have been high but it was clearly not recognised, and as far as I can see there was no contingency for Botley Road.
The risk might have been high but it was clearly not recognised, and as far as I can see there was no contingency for Botley Road.
The phasing of construction (assuming you would have kept the same design) also didn't recognise this was high risk.The nature of risk and contingency is that you don't know exactly what you're planning for. That's why there's often lots of preliminary investigative works, to try and mitigate the risks.
Hindsight? Foresight? Learning from experience? Recognising risks? Planning? Contingency? Optimism bias? Yes men? Anyone listening? Anyone learning? Politics? People? Egos? ALL this good practice is known; sadly, nothing new here.The phasing of construction (assuming you would have kept the same design) also didn't recognise this was high risk.
The Botley Road civils plan was basically as cheap as possible and aimed to minimise road closure time - what could go wrong??? The derisking did not materialise in practice.
As other current rail projects have show (e.g. TRU) drilling several utilities tunnels (preferably off line to the south of the new road alignment for Botley Road) would have helped significantly and made dealing with the sewer much easier.
In terms of construction phasing, starting off by doing as much of the current sheet piling to the south side of the road would have been a very good idea, it would have highlighted the quantity of detritus buried (think of it as big ground survey) followed by the south side bridge piling (with a bit of planning a route for the sewer could have been but in too) and the walkway "tube" concrete casting that forms the new another abutment for the bridge deck.
This would have led to a few extra days of rail closure overall with a big 5 day block early in the programme.
This would have also given much more room for sewer digging and investigation as well as much more choice and speed in mitigation options for the sewer.
Lessons seem to be hard to learn in a city of learning: Oxfordshire County Council has just flogged off their HQ in the city centre to a hotel, and will move to a different building/site in the city centre where the City Council offices were.[..]
Is there evidence of ANYONE questioning the plans when, or better before decisions were made? Will it be published? It should make a good case study, appropriate for Oxford (and Cambridge?).
Interesting one. I thought the new building (Speedwell Street?) was an existing OCC office building, so assumed it was just being refurbished? Obviously a tad more than that then.Lessons seem to be hard to learn in a city of learning: Oxfordshire County Council has just flogged off their HQ in the city centre to a hotel, and will move to a different building/site in the city centre where the City Council offices were.
Alas _now_ that's a done deal, they've got the survey and archaeology on the go - and found that the site they're going to occupy has, err, ancient groundworks - what with it being a known site of the earliest Oxford communities. When the City Council rebuilt this in the 1970s, they did the work on the footprint of that building to save money and of course found and will have documented plenty of interest back then. The County needs the redevelopment to cover a wider footprint - hence new archaeology, and surprise surprise, new findings.
So, the County is urgently trying to find other places to relocate staff to whilst their new site is rebuilt..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdezle6e3r2o (from July) has:Interesting one. I thought the new building (Speedwell Street?) was an existing OCC office building, so assumed it was just being refurbished? Obviously a tad more than that then.
It's currently just offices, whereas to replace County Hall they need a space for a debating chamber and the other public functions.Documents on the authority's website show it plans to knock down the north wing of Speedwell House but then add a five-storey extension to its north and west wings.
So they'll have to figure out how to fit all the things that have to go there inside the existing building.Plans to redevelop an empty building in Oxford and create a new council headquarters have been scaled back.
Oxfordshire County Council had proposed extending Speedwell House, after exchanging contracts to sell its current base at County Hall on New Road.
But the authority said "archaeological finds" at the new site mean that plans for a larger building and more office space have been "revisited".
This post from last week has the link to the latest NR updateI looked back a few pages on this thread and searched in vain for an actual "update". Is it time to change the thread title ( or the content)?
New footbridge works
Construction of the northeast footbridge approach outside Oxford Station continues. This work will take place until 7 December and includes:
To allow these works to be carried out safely, some bike parking spaces have been temporarily closed.
- Removal of the current footbridge approach
- Decommissioning and demolition of the pumping station
- Excavation and backfilling
- Installation of foundations for a new palisade fence
We apologise for any inconvenience. These spaces will be reinstated once this work has been completed.![]()
Pictured above: Work on the northeast footbridge approach.


Prediction is that Network Rail will finish by end of August but Thames Water don't, so at least Botley Road will open but they'll be roadworks ongoing.As for Osney Bridge the interim water main north thereof has been commissioned, however they're still waiting on the local DNO to divert their assets before replacement of the footpath and damaged water main can take place. Removal of road-level traffic management is now scheduled for August 2026, followed by river path reinstatement a few months later.
There are pictures of two of these abutment boxes under construction from about a month ago in this Oxford Mail article.In terms of abutment construction the central box base slab has been cast and steel fixing of the walls is underway. Construction of the west/east boxes is further advanced and their roof formwork is in place.
A community campaigner is questioning why Network Rail contractors have spent more than £200m working for almost three years on "a 200-yard stretch of road".
The rail infrastructure company's contractors are working on a £231m scheme to upgrade Oxford railway station.
It closed Botley Road at the rail bridge in 2023 and the scheme has been hit with numerous delays. The road is not expected to fully reopen until August 2026.
To date, progress on the main objectives have been limited as contractors work to reroute utility cables and pipes in Botley Road and in Frideswide Square.
Piling work is being undertaken to create foundations for a new rail bridge so it can be installed in February, but the noisy construction process, which also causes vibration, is disturbing residents and will continue again this weekend.
Community campaigner Julian Le Vay, who lives off Botley Road, reacted after seeing a photo of the construction site taken by photographer Frank Dumbleton earlier this month when he was arriving at the station by bus.
Mr Le Vay said: "It looks quite beautiful but it's horrifying to think that Network Rail is spending almost a quarter of a billion pounds on a 200-yard stretch of road close to the rail bridge.
"People who visit the city say 'how is it possible to spend such a large amount of money on such a small area'."
Once the new rail bridge has been installed, and the Botley Road reopened to traffic at the rail bridge, Network Rail will continue with its plan to upgrade the western entrance to the station and provide a new platform boosting East West Rail links.
Mr Le Vay added: "I don't think it will be possible to complete the new western entrance and the new platform before 2028.
"And that's not the end of it - Network Rail will then look at other aspects of improving the station.
"For some of us who live here, we can never feel the same way as we did before all this started.
"I simply will not walk through the new walkway - I go out of my way to find another route into the city centre."
A spokesman for Network Rail confirmed that work is now taking place to prepare for the installation of the new rail bridge.
He added: "Work to install it is taking place from 00:10 Sunday, February 1 to 04:45 Monday, February 9.
"All southbound railway lines will be closed but some northbound services will be running and rail replacement bus services will operate from Becket Street car park."
Network Rail’s proposals for the redeveloped rail station include plans for a multi-storey car-park and no facilities for an integrated transport hub.
The multi-storey car park could be located at Becket Street.
The spokesman confirmed that Network Rail contractors are on schedule to reopen Botley Road at the rail bridge by August 2026.
Am I right in thinking this is an entire news article about somebody replying to a Facebook post? Peak local-newspaperAlso shown in the Oxford Mail is how Botley Road currently looks if you're sat on the upper floor of a double decker en-route to the station.
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Network Rail has spent millions on a '200-yard stretch of Botley Road'
A community campaigner is questioning why Network Rail contractors have spent more than £200m working for almost three years on "a 200-yard…www.oxfordmail.co.uk
The You Said We Did only seems to say:Slightly tangential - but I don’t think speculative - not worth own thread yet though:
In the latest EWR consultation and the news about a fifth EWR tph out of Oxford, it mentioned work to develop how to handle the increased service.
We know Cowley is intended for Marylebone, and won’t have tons of addl signalling or double track (eg to handle 1-2 EWR) - so what do those closest to the Oxford station saga know or suspect might be options for all this new service?
The regular Bristol services seems to be planned too (I’d assume future p4?) - thoughts on this? Which relates directly to these works?
To me that reads that as long as the Marylebone trains are going to Cowley, then EWR having full use of the two bays will be sufficient.How we’ve updated design proposals
Following wider support for the Cowley Plus scheme from the local community, Network Rail and the government, we’re currently working on our designs on the basis that the Cowley Branch Line will be reopened, as proposed by Oxford City Council. This would mean that platform capacity will be freed up at Oxford station, allowing the full EWR service to run to Oxford station. More details will be provided when we consult in 2026.
They should release it in IMAX 3D, "The Great Headscratching"Having just watched the Network Rail time-lapse video of the Clifton (Cumbria) bridge demolition last weekend, I look forward to the eventual release of a similar one featuring the Botley Road bridge project. Probably need a sack of popcorn before settling down to watch it though.
Phase 2D (Western entrance / Platform 5 / Sheepwash Channel bridge) has an assumed delivery date of H1 2029 in the December 2025 update to residents, which also briefly describes the other rail projects in Oxford as illustrated below.Focussing on the thread title, am I right in thinking that, while (some?) funding for the construction of platform 5, and a new bridge over the Sheepwash Channel, is agreed (in principle?), Network Rail has so far said nothing whatever about the timing, except that that work won't start before August 2026?

A Network Rail spokesman revealed the latest cost estimate for the work so far has risen from £231m to £237m, but this does not include planned work on the western entrance, and a new platform.
He added: “The latest estimate for the Oxford Phase 2 project, including the works associated with Botley Road, is £237.4m.
"This estimate includes enhancements of the Oxford north junction, completed in July 2023, which improved journey times and provided additional capacity for services, including East West Rail.
“This estimate excludes work to complete a new western entrance to the station and a new platform.
"A cost and completion date for these works have yet to be agreed with the Department for Transport.
“The project is on schedule to the revised timetable which will see Botley Road reopen in August.”
Politically there has to be a focus on road reopening.Thanks for the update. Good to see the various pieces all together - even if they are a little vague on the main station plan (rebuild / through roads etc) - hopefully we’ll see more on that in 2026.
I do feel that P5 could come online sooner than the Western entrance needs - given it’s a face to an existing island. Would be useful if the Bristol services ramp up to hourly - which I’d guess would use p4 to turn in a future state. P5 being through services north.
Walkway diversion – Sunday 1 – Sunday 8 February
- The walkway between Botley Road and Frideswide Square will be closed.
- There will be an alternative, accessible diversion route through the station.
- There will be signs and marshals along the diversion route 24/7, to provide information and assistance.
- The route is step-free and accessible, with temporary bridges between platforms.
- Bike and scooter riders must dismount on the diversion route.
- Mopeds and motorbikes will not be permitted through the station. Please use alternative route: A4144 – A34 Western Bypass – A420.
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Train services – Sunday 1 – Sunday 8 February
- Buses will replace trains between Oxford station and Didcot Parkway
- Rail replacement buses will depart from Becket Street car park in Oxford.
- Some rail services to the north will be running.
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Progress update
Preparations are underway for the demolition and replacement of Botley Road rail bridge, which will take place from 1 – 8 February.
This includes making a route for the Self-Propelled Modular Transporter (SPMT) which will lift the central abutment (support) for the new main rail bridge into position. This central abutment has been built on the west side of the site, near the One Restaurant and Westgate Hotel, ready to be moved in while trains on the southbound tracks are not running.
This work involves excavation and ground preparation works, ahead of tarmacking next week. This temporary route is not the final highway, which will be built between February – August, underneath the new rail bridges.
19 - 31 January night-time works
Overnight works will take place between Monday 19 January and Saturday 31 January, from 20:00 - 04:00, to prepare for the temporary pedestrian diversion through Oxford station. This diversion will be in place from 1-8 February while the current walkway between Botley Road and Frideswide Square is closed to enable the replacement of the Botley Road rail bridge.
During these nights:
Traffic management, including two‑way traffic lights, will be in place to keep road users safe while this work is carried out.
- Part of the wall between platform 3 and the current bin store outside the station will be removed, in order to create a wider entrance for the temporary pedestrian diversion route.
- On Roger Dudman Way, work will be carried out on the emergency ramp outside the platform 4 emergency access gate, to make this accessible for use during the temporary walkway diversion.
- Tarmacking works will take place to widen the footpath at the southern end of Cripley Road and Roger Dudman Way.