Overshooting

[eastie]

Im aware that the central and vic lines are ato. I was wondering if anyone had ever been on a train that overshot the platform or just went straight through by mistake?
Are the drivers likely to get into trouble for not realising that the train isnt going to stop in time?

 

[Daniel]

Yes, I've been on a Central which has overshot Debden EB by 6 cars(!)

IIRC, with regard to SPADs on ATO lines, a driver needs to have applied the emergency brake before the train passes the signal - (even if it's just a second before passing it) - otherwise it can still go on the drivers record.

 

[eastie]

so is there some sort of chime or bell in the cab that lets the driver know it haas started to brake. i was at bond street once and a central line train came in and the driver had his feet up on dashboard! i think i would have my hand on handle just in case!!

 

[Daniel]

Nope, there is no chime - it just slows down. The chimes only sound if the train is being driven in manual. A driver shouldn't have his feet on the dash, but even with your feet there you can have your hand on the emergency brake... although sitting like that does make it difficult to open the doors.

 

[eastie]

it must be unerving at first just waiting for it to start slowing on its own! I dont know if you drive or not but do drivers or "train Operators" prefer ato or manual?

 

[Goldfish62]

it must be unerving at first just waiting for it to start slowing on its own! I dont know if you drive or not but do drivers or "train Operators" prefer ato or manual?

I have of heard of drivers transferring to the Central being so unnerved by the speed the trains go into platforms that they've transferred back whence they came.

 

[Daniel]

it must be unerving at first just waiting for it to start slowing on its own! I dont know if you drive or not but do drivers or "train Operators" prefer ato or manual?

I'm now on stations - but when I was on trains as part of the LU apprenticeship, I much preferred manual.

I've spoken to drivers who prefer manual, but a majority who prefer ATO - (which is most likely why they're on that line).

I have of heard of drivers transferring to the Central being so unnerved by the speed the trains go into platforms that they've transferred back whence they came.

I've heard that too; I've also heard stories of when ATO was first introduced, drivers hiding behind they chair as they came into the platform, only to quickly sit down again and look confused when passengers came running up to the cab to check..!

 

[fIIsion]

On the Vic line, my own train went at least 3 cars into the tunnel and that was after applying the emergency brake; it was slowing down at first then accelerated (defective auto drive box).

As a driver I first started at on a manual line, then transferred to an ATO.
It was a bit unnerving to begin with but with time you get used to it.

Drivers are expected to make some attempt to stop the train.

 

[eastie]

i would love to be a train op. But it looks like its a hard job to get hold of.

 

[SteamontheMet]

I have been on a few overshoots.

Central line at Greenford Westbound, train came off the bridge passing over the Mainline a bit fast coming down the steep grade into the station, train overshot by two door lengths, driver backed it into the station.

Piccadilly Line at Ealing Common Eastbound, similar story by the train entering the station too fast and overshooting by one car length, passengers who wanted to disembark had to walk down the next carriage.

Been on a few underuns,

Perivale on the central line in wet, whole train underunned the station.
Jubilee line train underunned or overshot at Waterloo and had to continue to Southwark.

 

[MCR247]

Why would an underrun mean it couldn't stop :?

 

[455driver]

What is an "under-run", never heard of it!

 

[MCR247]

Where the train slows to early and then it stops are is almost stops when the train isn't completely on the platform. Nowhere near as bad as overshooting though

 

[455driver]

So a stop short then!

 

[MCR247]

Yeah

 

[SteamontheMet]

I thought I might just mention it, as I have been on quite a few,

The Central line incident was under ATO in the wet just short of Perivale, Emergency brakes applied on the westbound track with only one car in the platform, its happened a few times in exactly the same spot a few times now.

 

[Controller1]

I did a good few years as a driver and never overun a pltfm once
Had a few SPADs tho. Mostly cos I zoned out. Was stopping but misjudged.
That's what most SPADs are...

 

[yorkie]

I experienced an overshoot at a station on the East Grinstead line in 2005, and also at Petts Wood in 2005. In both cases conditions were fine and it was simply that the drivers forgot the stops, I believe. Petts Wood was certainly understandable as they had all been fast from Orpington on that route until shortly before that incident. In both cases, the trains were operated by 8VEP stock, and there was no problem getting passengers on/off. Neither were SPADs.