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Overcrowed Trains on ECML last Friday

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There was no pleasing the tool because he was obviously in a complete snot with all the delay. This is still no reason to slate everything the guards told him just because it wasnt what he wanted to hear. If they had said everyone was going to get a years free train travel & a weeks holiday in Lanzarote he would have still found fault. Things happen, its called life :roll:
 
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What went on is a whinging journalist couldn't think of a better story to write so wrote a boring, unoriginal and non-factchecked screed about a train they went on once.

So the train wasn't delayed by over an hour, he didn't pay £100+ for a ticket and the train wasn't overcrowded? That's alright then.
 

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So the train wasn't delayed by over an hour, he didn't pay £100+ for a ticket and the train wasn't overcrowded? That's alright then.

Yes all that is of course true but that could happen in any form of transport anywhere in the world. Things go wrong.

But this article is a very funny read because everything is blown out of all proportion. He is deliberately trying to make it sound like it was comparable to a war torn country in the Middle East and making himself out to be some super hero who stepped forward and saved the day as the railway was too incompetent to do so.

As I said before, if you travel on a train leaving a city at 7pm on a Friday at the start of a summer bank holiday it will be very, very busy. As will a motorway or main road, airport, ferry etc.

Unfortunately there was also disruption causing a delay. Sounds like there was single line working at Newark. Its a 2 track railway and one line was blocked. What else could they have done? Flown the train over the obstruction? Running 2 tracks worth of trains over 1 track will cause delays. Take a busy single carriage way road and close one lane for roadworks or after a crash/breakdown. Now watch the traffic rapidly que up either side as cars take it in turn to run in opposite directions over the same bit of Tarmac.

Train tickets are expensive-get over it, its not news, its a huge political issue which has been around for years. Nothing new or newsworthy there. Plus he would get his ticket cost refunded because of the delay.

As for the crowded conditions leading to claustrophobia etc-no one forced anyone to get on that train. People walked down the platform and saw how crowded the train was but continued to force their way on it. I understand there arnt many trains/connections after that one but people still had a choice in getting on that train and certainly people going to the first few stations could have got other trains. If the claustrophobic man was that claustrophobic why did he get on?!
 

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Hasnt Simon Calder dribbled on in the Independant about a severely delayed FGW trip to South Wales recently too?
 

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I note the journalist had managed to sit in his reserved seat, so things can't have been that impossible. Also how could he have escorted the claustrophobe through the length of the train if it was completely wedged? A fair bit of journalistic licence in play I'd say.
 

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I note the journalist had managed to sit in his reserved seat, so things can't have been that impossible. Also how could he have escorted the claustrophobe through the length of the train if it was completely wedged? A fair bit of journalistic licence in play I'd say.

I also find it very hard to believe that staff in 1st class asked him if he had a 1st class ticket when passing through-I would go as far as saying that is a complete lie. If the train is stationary and that delayed then staff arnt going to just challenge people walking through like that. I believe he is trying to paint a picture of standard being a warzone and when walking through to 1st there were chandeliers hanging, a cocktail piano in the corner and well dressed waiters with silver trays serving caviar and champagne challenging him and his wounded comrade.

Utter rubbish.
 

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So the train wasn't delayed by over an hour, he didn't pay £100+ for a ticket and the train wasn't overcrowded? That's alright then.
He paid £125 for the return journey! So therefore this seems quite a bargin to pay £60 for a 4hour journey on a train with a huge demand.


 

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I believe he is trying to paint a picture of standard being a warzone and when walking through to 1st there were chandeliers hanging, a cocktail piano in the corner and well dressed waiters with silver trays serving caviar and champagne challenging him and his wounded comrade.

Surely not - that's only first class on a FCC 317. Although I hear FCC is considering swapping champagne for a cheaper cava...!

How many more stories will we read like this? I would have thought that with so many BBC staff going from London to Manchester, we'd be seeing more anti-Virgin trains rants or perhaps the BBC still employ editors (and sub-editors) that might have actually stopped to ask the journalist if the story was actually entirely true, and not embellished a teeny weeny bit.
 

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I read this article, and whilst the guy doubtless had a crap journey, we have just another textbook hysterical railway rant by somebody who would have gained far more credibility if only he could have been bothered to consult somebody with some knowledge before submitting his 'work'. Hence, the valid point he may have is lost in the nonsensical ramblings he has spouted in order to bulk out the piece.

He does the usual 'dangerously overcrowded' dance all the way through, but then also criticises the Guard for not coming through the train, before observing that he 'probably would have been lynched 100 times if he had'. Was the train packed solid or wasn't it? If it was, was it really likely that the Guard was going to crowd surf his way through eight carriages of standing passengers? And, if the mood was as described, would it have been a productive thing to have done even if he could have made it through? No, it wouldn't. We then sink to third rate 'journalism' by name calling; the Guard is described as both 'hapless' and 'gormless', without any further comment to justify or qualify either of those rather unpleasnt remarks.

We have the suggestion that there should be a 'cut off point' for train loadings, unsurprisingly without any suggestions of how such a system would actually work. Load passengers one at a time and count them on perhaps? We have the usual crying babies, pregnant women and of course elderly people - many of whom survived a world war but, according to low rent hacks, are left on the brink of death by any sort of delayed train journey.

All in all, just a crap page filler from a ranting passenger who happens to have a job as a small time journo. The sort of thing that anybody who has any railway knowledge or just plain old common sense will read, tut at, and then forget.
 

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When multiple things go wrong in a cascade, yes it turns into an omnishambles. Pax usually know more than the crew from looking on their iPhone.

Your best best is opening a door and detraining, then walking along the line to the station and getting a taxi

I hope that is not a serious suggestion.

Obvious dangers include being hit trains on other tracks, electrocuted on third rail, trips/slips on rails and ballast, finding the next station is several miles away, being prosecuted for trespass offences, etc etc.

Plus if people start detraining any other trains still moving nearby will have to be stopped, thus making the situation worse.
 

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The Daily Mail reporter is a liar.

The train was de-classified throughout the trip from London, therefore no one wouldve asked him for a first class ticket.
 

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The Daily Mail reporter is a liar.

The train was de-classified throughout the trip from London, therefore no one wouldve asked him for a first class ticket.

As I said earlier-even if it wasn't, in disruption like that no one would be asking for tickets in those kind if circumstances described.
 

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Regardless of the Mail's spin the fact remains that on the day in question many people left Kings Cross at 6pm and did not get to Edinburgh until 339am... Not great for those involved...
 

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Journalistic standards in the UK, whether from the right (Mail, Express, Telegraph etc) or left (BBC, [not remotely] Independent, Guardian etc) just seem to be going to pot.

But, hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good story!
 

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Regardless of the Mail's spin the fact remains that on the day in question many people left Kings Cross at 6pm and did not get to Edinburgh until 339am... Not great for those involved...

Not great but not a lot else could be done about it. An infrastructure problem at Newark and a failed train at Berwick according to the article and a problem with a railway is that trains can't just drive round obstructions obviously. And when trains are in the middle of nowhere they can't just let people off and getting trains into platforms isn't easy as there will generally be more trains about than there are stations or platforms.
 

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To offer some contrast to the OP's plight, this evening's 'peak' departures on East Coast from Kings Cross are so quiet that the pasenger:staff ratio is about 33:1
First class has experienced a particularly unusual level of no shows this evening.
 

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A cheap comment, I know, as it's obviously a typo, but why this discrimination against Welshmen?
 

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To offer some contrast to the OP's plight, this evening's 'peak' departures on East Coast from Kings Cross are so quiet that the pasenger:staff ratio is about 33:1
First class has experienced a particularly unusual level of no shows this evening.

A cheap comment, I know, as it's obviously a typo, but why this discrimination against Welshmen?

:lol: I don't know how you typed that with a straight face :lol:.

I'd think 33 taffs is about right for one staff member! :lol:
 

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Looks like I got off quite easy on Friday considering the various bit and pieces going on.

Took the 12:25 Newcastle - KX then flew from Heathrow at about 8:40pm. Things went pretty smoothly except the plane was delayed by half an hour or so as the inbound was delayed because of the morning closure.

By the way the train was stopped at York for about 15 minutes due to BTP attending a problem on the train. Just before Northallerton there was a call for the train guard to go to coach H, then a bit later there was an announcement that smoking was prohibited on board including in the toilets. Approaching York there was an announcement about a slight delay opening the doors at York and BTP would be attending. When the train departed the BTP guys were talking to someone on the platform. Got into KX about 10 to 15 down or so. Train not too crowded and got 2 seats to myself all the way down.
 
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