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Overcrowding seems to have been a huge issue today (Good Friday), especially on routes in/out of London

Chiltern were struggling with the WCML closure (south of Milton Keynes) and the ongoing problems between Oxford and Didcot and have advised to only travel if necessary

EMR were struggling with the WCML closure, coupled with the closure of the Stoke-Derby route due to signalling failure, and even a handful of displaced Chiltern passengers!

I’m unsure and therefore unable to comment on both the ECML and GWML but Easter seems to be a busy period in general so I’m interested to see how they coped

This isn’t a thread to complain or rant as such, but more to share our experiences over the weekend and hopefully commend the hardworking staff on the ground
 
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I saw some people left behind on a Northern Hope Valley service,
The bank holiday and good weather brought out alot of walkers / visitors
 

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The Hope Valley stoppers saw London passengers on it too. I got to Sheffield on one with the platform absolutely battered on it's return working with about a hundred left behind. Didn't help that there was no timetabled TPE in front of it
 

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Monday will be the busiest day I imagine especially London bound. I remember one Easter Monday I apparently had 1200 people on my IET out of Plymouth to London. Must have been snug.
 

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Announcements as I arrived at Manchester Piccadilly yesterday that 2S78 10:48 Piccadilly-Sheffield (2 car 195 014) was full and standing and Sheffield passengers should go to platform 13, although they would have found 1L09 10:43 departure to Norwich cancelled followed by 1B74 11:13 to Cleethorpes cancelled so 1L10 11:43 to Norwich would have been the next train, actually departing at 11:52. At least that shows as 3x158 (6 cars) but I bet it was busy too!
Maybe Sheffield passengers on platform 13 for the cancelled fast service at 10:43 were being advised to cross the footbridge for the (full and standing) stopping service at 10:48?
Can't have been much fun for a number of people.
 
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Announcements as I arrived at Manchester Piccadilly yesterday that 2S78 10:48 Piccadilly-Sheffield (2 car 195 014) was full and standing and Sheffield passengers should go to platform 13, although they would have found 1L09 10:43 departure to Norwich cancelled followed by 1B74 11:13 to Cleethorpes cancelled so 1L10 11:43 to Norwich would have been the next train, actually departing at 11:52. At least that shows as 3x158 (6 cars) but I bet it was busy too!
Maybe Sheffield passengers on platform 13 for the cancelled fast service at 10:43 were being advised to cross the footbridge for the (full and standing) stopping service at 10:48?
Can't have been much fun for a number of people.
It will be even worse today as the Hope Valley line is shut and there are masses of cancellations on the TransPennine services from Sheffield to Manchester via Huddersfield.
 

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Also a decent number of fans travelling by train from Wigan to Sheffield for the football yesterday.
 

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There's currently 21 full/part cancellations on LNER (mostly on the Leeds route) which won't help with any overcrowding.
 

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Rail ‘mayhem’ as thousands stuck in London station queues likened to ‘last train out of Saigon’​

in The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...easter-travel-london-trains-b2316141.html?amp):
Rail ‘mayhem’ as thousands stuck in London station queues likened to ‘last train out of Saigon’

Those stuck in huge queues at St Pancras Station described ‘arguing and pushing’ amid ‘limited crowd control’

Andy Gregory

14 hours ago

Travellers caught up in a “chaotic” thousands-strong crowd at a London train station have likened the “mayhem” sparked by widespread Easter rail disruption to boarding “the last train out of Saigon”.

Network Rail is using the bank holiday weekend, as “the lowest period of passenger traffic”, to carry out more than 600 engineering works across the country.

That includes the closure of 50 miles of the West Coast main line between London Euston and Milton Keynes Central, which affects passengers travelling to and from the West Midlands, northwest England, North Wales and southern Scotland.

Images posted to social media by shocked and disgruntled would-be travellers showed a sea of thousands of people standing stationary and shoulder-to-shoulder in queues at London St Pancras.

Ruairidh Pritchard, a writer from the capital, was delayed for three hours on his way to Stockport for an Easter weekend with friends and described “arguing and pushing” in the crowds.

“St Pancras was mayhem, limited crowd control,” the 33-year-old said. “Staff are doing the best they could under the circumstances. Lots of people arguing and pushing – it was like the last train out of Saigon.

“[It has] kind of put a dampener on the weekend, I’ve lost half a day of Easter.”

Euston was not the only London station impacted, with half of Victoria station closed as engineers worked on the lines to Gatwick and Brighton, and disruption on several London Underground routes.

Sophie Earish, a student from Wembley Park, said her normal 20-minute Tube journey to St Pancras took an hour due to closures on the Metropolitan and Jubilee lines.

When she arrived at St Pancras Station, on her way to visit her partner in Loughborough, the 26-year-old said she then had to queue for an hour and a half for a train north.

“I didn’t realise Euston was closed this weekend causing this mess,” she said. “The queues to get to trains on the platforms were chaotic ... why do they think it’s acceptable to do engineering works over the Easter weekend? It’s ridiculous, it seems to be the same every year.”

A statement on London Euston’s Twitter account said: “To avoid changes on other routes and rail replacements coaches joining busy roads, travel after the Easter weekend. Thank you for understanding while our project teams work hard to deliver improvements to the network.”

In addition to the rail disruption, Easter holidaymakers were warned on Friday of delays of up to 90 minutes at the Port of Dover – although the bottleneck-style port appeared to be faring significantly better than the previous weekend which was marked by reports of travellers stuck on coaches for up to 18 hours.

Road traffic was also set to double on parts of the M25, M5 and A303, with some 17 million cars predicted by the RAC to hit the roads for leisure purposes on Friday.

Meanwhile, a portion of the roughly two million people planning foreign holidays over the Easter weekend faced cancellations caused by striking French air-traffic controllers, as a walkout by security at Heathrow Terminal 5 saw British Airways cancel dozens of flights.

Additional reporting by PA
My impression is, increasingly, that the people responsible for running the railways don't care one bit about their passengers. Now, of course, there are many for whom that is untrue, so it's an unfair sweeping statement, but it's one that's increasingly going to be made. We insist on high levels of worker safety, so it's pretty unavoidable to close the railway for engineering works, but it does seem increasingly that passengers have to struggle along as a result - not assisted by intolerable numbers of cancellations. But nobody seems "in charge" these days. I thought there was a plan for this, but it seems like hot air at the moment.
 
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I found the trains worked quite well yesterday up North.

Northern, to their credit, even managed to find that extra unit for the Whitby line later on.
 

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It will be even worse today as the Hope Valley line is shut and there are masses of cancellations on the TransPennine services from Sheffield to Manchester via Huddersfield.

Great timing, given the usefulness of the Hope Valley to reach walking places in the Edale area, and it's the Easter weekend. Could they not have done the work sometime between Oct-March?

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Rail ‘mayhem’ as thousands stuck in London station queues likened to ‘last train out of Saigon’​

in The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...easter-travel-london-trains-b2316141.html?amp):

My impression is, increasingly, that the people responsible for running the railways don't care one bit about their passengers. Now, of course, there are many for whom that is untrue, so it's an unfair sweeping statement, but it's one that's increasingly going to be made. We insist on high levels of worker safety, so it's pretty unavoidable to close the railway for engineering works, but it does seem increasingly that passengers have to struggle along as a result - not assisted by intolerable numbers of cancellations. But nobody seems "in charge" these days. I thought there was a plan for this, but it seems like hot air at the moment.

I do get the impression that compared to let's say the 90s, engineering works are frequently scheduled for times of high demand, such as the Easter weekend. It always seemed to be the case that engineering works were focused on weekends between October and March (excepting the Christmas shopping period), with perhaps the odd one in April and May but not on the bank holiday weekends.

Certainly closing the Hope Valley of all places on Easter weekend seems utterly crazy. Particularly as Edale isn't the sort of place you can serve easily with a rail replacement bus.
 
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My impression is, increasingly, that the people responsible for running the railways don't care one bit about their passengers. Now, of course, there are many for whom that is untrue, so it's an unfair sweeping statement, but it's one that's increasingly going to be made.
The problem certainly seems to be that there is no good time to shut the railway for engineering works, and that it is impossible to second guess when the height of demand is for the alternative routes. For all the pictures of overcrowding at St Pancras and Marylebone, it is likely that it had a specific peak to the passenger flow.
 

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I found the trains worked quite well yesterday up North.

Northern, to their credit, even managed to find that extra unit for the Whitby line later on.
No. Northern withdrew 1 in 3 Sheffield to Doncaster stoppers and the whole of the Sheffield to York service without notice.
 

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Certainly closing the Hope Valley of all places on Easter weekend seems utterly crazy. Particularly as Edale isn't the sort of place you can serve easily with a rail replacement bus.
Hope Valley works are very much dictated by freight operators and the quarries. That also then knocks on to what else you cannot block at the same time.
 

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The problem certainly seems to be that there is no good time to shut the railway for engineering works, and that it is impossible to second guess when the height of demand is for the alternative routes. For all the pictures of overcrowding at St Pancras and Marylebone, it is likely that it had a specific peak to the passenger flow.
With a railway more dependant on leisure i think a new approach is needed.
 

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Was dreading using Chiltern to head to the Midlands today but am sat on the 1000 Chiltern service to Birmingham. I am no fan of IC70 seats but the six carriage 68/MK3 formation was much appreciated. Not that crowded (yet).
 

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St Pancras would have been especially busy yesterday, because it had to cope with both normal MML passengers and diverted WCML passengers as a result of engineering works on the latter. At least from Manchester, the principal route to London was to change at Sheffield.
 

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I may have gotten lucky by the sounds of it then !
It's actually worse today. A third of stopping services withdrawn again. But no service due to engineering work between Sheffield and Moorthorpe. So instead of 3 trains per hour pre covid between Sheffield and Swinton via Rotherham we have 2 trains every 3 hours. An absolute disgrace.
 

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I found the trains worked quite well yesterday up North.

Northern, to their credit, even managed to find that extra unit for the Whitby line later on.
Same here in East Anglia. Very busy trains but all went like clockwork.
 

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Certainly non-essential works should have avoided this specific Easter, given the pent up demand for traveling to see friends and family and domestic tourism.
 

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It's actually worse today. A third of stopping services withdrawn again. But no service due to engineering work between Sheffield and Moorthorpe. So instead of 3 trains per hour pre covid between Sheffield and Swinton via Rotherham we have 2 trains every 3 hours. An absolute disgrace.

Ah yes, I've managed to avoid the dreaded engineering works thus far !

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Same here in East Anglia. Very busy trains but all went like clockwork.

That will be good for the Norfolk holiday trade !
 

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Was dreading using Chiltern to head to the Midlands today but am sat on the 1000 Chiltern service to Birmingham. I am no fan of IC70 seats but the six carriage 68/MK3 formation was much appreciated. Not that crowded (yet).
Famous last words.... Now full and standing.

Am told that there is one functioning toilet on the whole train. It's in the very rear carriage, l'm in the very front carriage.... Ho hum...
 
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Certainly non-essential works should have avoided this specific Easter, given the pent up demand for traveling to see friends and family and domestic tourism.
Is there still pent up demand? Surely everyone has seen who they didn't see over that time by now.
 

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The MML is no longer geared up to accepting WCML or ECML diversions. At least with the HSTs you could amend the diagrams to kick as many long sets out as possible. Now most trains are 5 cars and that's that..

It is fed back time after time that the trains can't cope.

"But we've put buses on and told people to use them."

"Their tickets are valid on the train as they're any permitted even if it is a different route. The journey planner tells them to use the train as it's faster than the buses."

"But we've said to use the buses".

Repeat ad infinitum. It's happened for years. It never changes.

I've lost count of the amount of times I've turned up at Grantham when the MML is closed with an already full 2 car train from the east and just had to shrug at the 200 people left on the platform.
 

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Fewer people travel at Easter than any other time. They just all want to catch the same few trains.
That's a large part of the problem. Everybody goes at similar times rather than using common sense and travelling a little earlier or later. You can't expect to turn up at 10am on a bank holiday and find it plain sailing.

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That will be good for the Norfolk holiday trade !
Certainly is mate and bodes well for another bumper year.
 

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That's a large part of the problem. Everybody goes at similar times rather than using common sense and travelling a little earlier or later. You can't expect to turn up at 10am on a bank holiday and find it plain sailing.

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Certainly is mate and bodes well for another bumper year.

Whilst I agree with you and I myself try to avoid the obviously busiest times, if this is what higher ups in the railway companies say/think, then it does smack of simply putting the blame onto the passengers.
 

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Announcements as I arrived at Manchester Piccadilly yesterday that 2S78 10:48 Piccadilly-Sheffield (2 car 195 014) was full and standing and Sheffield passengers should go to platform 13, although they would have found 1L09 10:43 departure to Norwich cancelled followed by 1B74 11:13 to Cleethorpes cancelled so 1L10 11:43 to Norwich would have been the next train, actually departing at 11:52. At least that shows as 3x158 (6 cars) but I bet it was busy too!
Maybe Sheffield passengers on platform 13 for the cancelled fast service at 10:43 were being advised to cross the footbridge for the (full and standing) stopping service at 10:48?
Can't have been much fun for a number of people.
I was on the 1143 Norwich. It was indeed 6 cars, and full and standing in the front one - I dread to think what it was like at the back near the platform entrance.

There were a lot of station staff on the platform, extra announcements to reassure Sheffield passengers that they could travel in any part of the train, and apart from the impressively short delay it all seemed to go smoothly - especially given the two previous cancellations. I was impressed (and very slightly squashed).
 
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