Out of date maps

[JaJaWa]

Do all those North Eastern Railway maps you find around Yorkshire count?

Glad they updated those with the Todmorden curve so quickly!

 

[damo44]

On a similar note, rather than being seen on the network, what's the oldest map you have in your possession?

Maps generally, rather than anything specifically railway related?

I'm sure I've got a box of 1960/70s 1 inch and 50k OS maps, and plenty of reprints of earlier ones. But these are still so common that I don't even think of them as being old.

 

[krus_aragon]

On a similar note, rather than being seen on the network, what's the oldest map you have in your possession? I have a central London A-Z published by the Geographers A-Z Map Company in which the phone number of their London showroom is in the 01-xxx-xxxx format and the tube map on the back cover predates the Jubilee line extension.

Well, seeing as you asked...

The oldest conventional OS map I own is one of Anglesey (sheet 108), dated 1947.
I also have an OS military map (GSGS) of South Wales at 1/4in to the mile, dated 1953, and one-inch of Derby and Buxton & Matlock, dated 1942 and 1941.

In non-OS maps, I have a loose post-grouping Emery Walker route map of the Great Western Railway (complete with faint purple crayon showing the route from Crewe to Weston Super Mare!) and a copy of "Philips' Railway Map of the British Isles Coloured to 'Groups' " with an image of the streamlined Coronation Scot on the cover. The GWR map shows the Lynton and Barnstaple railway, whereas the Philips doesn't, making the GWR one older.

But the very oldest maps I own are in books: My 1902 GWR and 1898 timetables each include route maps inside, however the very oldest map (that I can think of offhand) is an index map of North Wales, on the inside cover to Black's Picturesque Guide to North Wales, dated 1863, showing major roads and the mainline railways existing at the time.

 

[DarloRich]

Do all those North Eastern Railway maps you find around Yorkshire count?

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Did you know you can buy a modern replica for your home?

 

[Envy123]

I've seen an out-of-date map at my local LU station, but unlike the past maps, it tries to predict the future.

Their London connections map actually showed Potters Bar as being a part of Zone 6, when it's not actually true. I started to get overjoyed, but when I was getting back home, the announcements said otherwise.

Not sure if it's still up.

 

[JaJaWa]

I've seen an out-of-date map at my local LU station, but unlike the past maps, it tries to predict the future.

Their London connections map actually showed Potters Bar as being a part of Zone 6, when it's not actually true. I started to get overjoyed, but when I was getting back home, the announcements said otherwise.

Not sure if it's still up.

When First Capital Connect proposed it in 2013, the DfT agreed that Potters Bar should be put in Zone 9!

 

[Envy123]

When First Capital Connect proposed it in 2013, the DfT agreed that Potters Bar should be put in Zone 9!

I heard, and this is why I had some feeling that the map was wrong.

Potters Bar wasn't the only station mistakenly shown as being in Zone 6. A lot of the twilight zone stations were shown to be part of Oysterland.

I can only imagine someone else seeing that map, going from my local LU station to somewhere like Epsom or Ashford (Surrey) with an Oyster card and saying to the Revenue Protection Officer that a map at Arnos Grove showed that Oyster was valid at the station. :roll:

 

[thewiltog]

On a similar note, rather than being seen on the network, what's the oldest map you have in your possession? I have a central London A-Z published by the Geographers A-Z Map Company in which the phone number of their London showroom is in the 01-xxx-xxxx format and the tube map on the back cover predates the Jubilee line extension.

The maps in my 1842 Bradshaw

 

[infobleep]

Yep, also in Middlesbrough and Morpeth. They're about 110 years old, and indicating long-closed lines.

There is also something at Waterloo I seem to remember. Again very old.
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On a similar note, rather than being seen on the network, what's the oldest map you have in your possession? I have a central London A-Z published by the Geographers A-Z Map Company in which the phone number of their London showroom is in the 01-xxx-xxxx format and the tube map on the back cover predates the Jubilee line extension.

The oldest non related railway map in my collection is a map of Westminster and the Dutchy of Lancaster from c1752.

Oldest map to show a railway line is the 1839 town plan of Birmingham.

For railway route maps, I have a district line leaflet from c1883. I don't know the exact date as it was a leaflet left inside my fifth edition of Dickens Dictionary of London, published in 1883. That's written by Charles Dickens son, also called Charles Dickens. Why do people do that?!

Incidentally when I'm in London I use my 1932 Geographers' London Street Atlas or my A-Z Street Atlas, also from 1932. One time I was visiting the Oratory church on Brompton Road. Upon leaving I looked in my atlas and decided I'd head to Brompton Road tube station and catch the tube form there as it was the closest one.

Upon arriving I saw the building and no entrance to the tube. I suddenly remembered that it had closed shortly after the atlas was published. I even knew it had closed before heading there, I just forgot.

They are obviously historical now. I'm not sure that historical documents can ever be out of date.

When is a map considered no longer out of date but historical? Perhaps they could just classify some of the carriages as heritage, like Harrow on the Hill underground station is a heritage station.

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Did you know you can buy a modern replica for your home?

That's great. Do you know if any other TOC route maps from the past are available?