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Oscar's First Time All Line Rover - Trip Report

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Oscar M

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Hi all, I am thrilled to say that I have purchased an All Line Rover, this is for 7 days in standard class and I will be starting tomorrow!

Interestingly I still have something to report on day 0. When I bought the rover at my local station, I received a special GWR ticket wallet for free, since my ticket was so expensive! (I'm aware free ticket wallets are available but I'm told this one normally costs around £15)

I'll be reporting on my trip along the way, so far I have pretty much no plans aside from what train I'll be catching tomorrow morning. I certainly hope it'll be interesting, I have been wanting to do this for a while and am really excited to finally be doing it for the first time!
 
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Day 1

For the avoidance of doubt:

EMR = East Midlands Railway
GWR = Great Western Railway
LNER = London North Eastern Railway
TPE = Transpennine Express



I had feelings of excitement and tiredness (I couldn't sleep the night before) on the morning of the trip.

I started on a GWR service to London Paddington, arriving 3 minutes late at 10:39 (1A10). This was on a class 800 and is a journey I am relatively familiar with.

By this point I'd been awake for over 20 hours but luckily an iced coffee mid journey fixed me right up!

I took the Elizabeth Line to Farringdon (Class 345) and then changed onto a Thameslink service (Class 700) to London St Pancras. I thought it would be a good idea to travel up on the Midland Main Line for the first time and so made my way to the EMR platforms to see what choices I had, I particularly wanted to travel on an intercity service. I then decided to have a look at my options on the East Coast Main Line from Kings Cross (A line I've done in the past though only as far as Newcastle).

I decided to head across to the neighbouring station in an attempt to board whatever service appealed to me. Unfortunately it seems that today was a busy day for travel on the ECML since every LNER train I wanted to board appeared to be heavily, if not fully reserved. Eventually I came across a train which still had its doors locked and so I waited outside of the unreserved coach until the doors unlocked, at which point I immediately boarded and sat down in an unreserved seat. As a result I departed Kings Cross on the 12:22 to Newcastle (1N16), which was a class 801.

This was a 5 coach train and as expected at this point was fully reserved from Kings Cross. It was at this point that I decided to order my first (and only!) meal of the day from the onboard cafe, a bacon roll alongside a bottle of Pepsi Max priced at £5, I personally thought that the bacon roll was a bit small, though I enjoyed the chilled drink. Although they are mostly the same seats as on GWR, the different material for the cushioning makes a big difference to the comfort for me, though they still aren't that great. When the train neared York I decided to alight there, so at 14:20, I did.

At this point I boarded the 14:45 Northern Service to Leeds via Poppleton and Harrogate (2C23) on a class 170. I found the seats to be nice and comfortable. I alighted at Leeds at 15:57. This was a new route for me and I found the journey to be quite pleasant.

From here I looked at catching the 16:12 Transpennine Express back to York ( but it was busy when it arrived so I went to the opposite platform, found a class 331 operating a Northern service going to Doncaster (16:22 or 2B15), thought "eh, what could go wrong" and so I rode that train all the way to Doncaster, arriving approximately 2 minutes late at 17:08. I personally didn't find the route to be anything too special (though maybe others will disagree) but by no means was it an unpleasant one.

I then proceeded to board the 17:21 Northern service to Sheffield (1J15) operating as a class 170, again going the whole way to the terminating station, in this case Sheffield, arriving slightly early at 17:46. Again, nothing too special to note here.

From there I made my way to where a relative lived to stay the night since they have very kindly allowed me to stay over mid-trip.

Overall, I enjoyed this day despite how I got unlucky with the busyness of trains, as well as the fact that my mileage wasn't as high as I'd hoped it'd be.

Looking forward to day 2, which is starting in just a couple hours or less!
 
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An interesting first day. I agree 170’s are comfortable units and the Harrogate Loop is a fairly nice line. Leeds-Doncaster is a bit bland really.

It’s great that you have somewhere that you can stay for free- that makes a big difference in keeping the cost down. Where is your home station?

Looking forward to hearing how the rest of your trip goes!
 

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It’s great that you have somewhere that you can stay for free- that makes a big difference in keeping the cost down.
Yeah definitely, it also allows me to catch up with family.

Where is your home station?
As of right now I prefer to keep this private although my nearest major station is Bristol Temple Meads.

Looking forward to hearing how the rest of your trip goes!
Thank you very much!

I'll be writing my day 2 report at some point today.
 

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Day 2


I started my day on an EMR Intercity service heading down to London St Pancras. This was a class 222 and I have to say the seats were quite nice, the armrests were big, the headrest was soft, the cushioning was slightly firm but certainly not as bad as the Fainsa Sophias that you get on most 80Xs/IETs.


I could be wrong but I recall the staff coming through the carriage selling refreshments from the catering trolley on two separate occasions, which is a step up from what I get on my local TOC, GWR, where on journeys between Bristol and London the catering trolley often only comes round once. With that being said, this was only one journey, maybe this is typical, maybe I got lucky.


Upon arrival into St Pancras, I decided to head to Liverpool Street in order to ride Greater Anglia and explore some of its network, I paticularly wanted to try out their Intercity trains (The FLIRTs or class 769s). I did the obvious Thameslink to Farringdon and Elizabeth Line to Liverpool Street itinerary to ensure I wouldn't have to pay extra for the Tube.


I boarded the 12:30 Greater Anglia service to Norwich (1P28). The train was quite nice, it had a smart, modern feel, I liked the large and detailed passenger information displays and there was an onboard bar (hooray!). What really let me down was the seat itself, it was just too firm. This wasn't too surprising as seats with relatively poor levels of comfort are certainly not uncommon to find in Britain, at least in my opinion.


I alighted at Ipswich to catch the 13:58 Greater Anglia service to Pererborough (Class 755 or 2E78). I went all the way to Peterborough and to be honest the line was pretty boring for me, though I suppose that's to be expected as East Anglia is pretty flat.

After arrival into Peterborough, I caught the slightly late running 15:50 LNER service to London Kings Cross (1E14). I tried to use the Let's Eat At Your Seat service and placed my order but throughout the entire journey nobody delivered any food, thankfully I wasn't charged.

After the late arrival into King's Cross, I made my way to St Pancras and caught the 17:07 Southeastern High Speed service to Ramsgate via Ashford International (1L50). I travelled along High Speed 1 before alighting at Ashford and to summarise: Yeah, it's fast.

From there I made my way to where a relative lived as again I was very kindly allowed to stay the night. Overall I enjoyed today and was satisfied with what I covered.

Stay tuned for day 3, which I recently finished!
 
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I just got to this, a good trip so far with good variety :) Score with two free nights, always a bonus on an expensive trip. I absolutely didn't envy the poor sleep going into the trip, but very much to be expected when really hyped for an adventure. How you kept going on such a small amount of food though is beyond me, all that travel on barely any food!

Good to see you sampled HS1, there's something magical about being on a 395 and it opening up in the tunnels with their amazing acceleration :D
 

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I just got to this, a good trip so far with good variety
Thank you!

I absolutely didn't envy the poor sleep going into the trip, but very much to be expected when really hyped for an adventure.
Luckily I had an iced coffee with me and it really helped.

How you kept going on such a small amount of food though is beyond me, all that travel on barely any food!
I suppose the excitement masked my need for food, I couldn't even finish my dinner! (Though this was party because the food itself wasn't that great)

Good to see you sampled HS1, there's something magical about being on a 395 and it opening up in the tunnels with their amazing acceleration :D
They are certainly nice trains with nice seats, must be one of my favourite to ride. I had previously done the section between London and Ebbsfleet but never between Ebbsfleet and Ashford.
 

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It's great to read about this. Some people love ALR, some don't like it. For me if I ever do one, it's not about the value, it's about the classic UK rail challenge adventure, a once in a lifetime. @Oscar M I would be interested to hear did you have any challenges using the Elizabeth line with your ALR
 

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I do have to ask, you mentioned at the start of the thread you only started this recently, however you said you had a ride on an EMR 180.... are you sure it was a 180 as all of EMRs ones are in store at Ely?
 

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I do have to ask, you mentioned at the start of the thread you only started this recently, however you said you had a ride on an EMR 180.... are you sure it was a 180 as all of EMRs ones are in store at Ely?
Doh! Yes you're right it was a 222, seems I got mixed up with the different trains there, can't believe I didn't spot that! Apologies, I'll edit that now, thanks for the correction! (You can tell I haven't kept up with what goes on in EMR land :D)
 
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It's great to read about this. Some people love ALR, some don't like it. For me if I ever do one, it's not about the value, it's about the classic UK rail challenge adventure, a once in a lifetime.
I personally bought it to allow me to be spontaneous and make several journeys, particularly long distance ones, at a short notice. It allows me to explore the railway network without being constrained by ticket restrictions or rover boundaries.

@Oscar M I would be interested to hear did you have any challenges using the Elizabeth line with your ALR
There was not a problem at all, staff let me through each time.
 

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I personally bought it to allow me to be spontaneous and make several journeys, particularly long distance ones, at a short notice. It allows me to explore the railway network without being constrained by ticket restrictions or rover boundaries.


There was not a problem at all, staff let me through each time.
This is great, if you use it on London Overground let us know how it goes! It's valid on Elizabeth line and Overground but some experiences with TFL operated stations are not known to be the best
 

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Day 3


Apologies for the lateness in my posts.


I started the day by heading into London. Once at London Euston, I caught the 13:43 Avanti West Coast service to Liverpool Lime Street (Class 390). The seats were comfortable however its clear to me Avanti need their 390 refurbishment, as they're showing their age. I decided to order a meal deal from the shop consisting of a bacon roll, Tyrells salted crisps and a Coke. It was all tasty and I thought it was a relatively reasonable price at £5.90. I really enjoyed speeding along the West Coast Mainline and I loved it when the train tilted at the curves in the line!


After arriving at Liverpool, I decided to take a Merseyrail service to Bebington and then back to Lime Street (Both class 507 or 508).


I then took the 17:24 Transpennine Express service to Newcastle as far as Manchester Victoria.


On a side note, every time I've asked if I can so an upgrade excess to First Class with my rover (paying the difference between applicable fares), every staff member at a ticket office or onboard said it wasn't possible up until this point. Luckily in this case I was allowed to sit in first class and I was told that it would be sorted later in the journey. Onboard I was offered drinks but not snacks, I took two drinks, a Coke and a Lemonade and I'm glad I did since both cans were quite small at 150ml each.


When the staff member was trying to sort out the excess, they were unable to find an upgrade at the price I was expecting, I offered to pay and try to recover the difference from TPE later but instead they let me sit in First Class for free!


Once at Manchester Victoria, I took a Metrolink tram to Market Street and went to find myself a place to eat. Soon enough I found myself at in the Arndale Shopping Centre ordering from a Pizza Hut Express outlet (didn't even know this existed!). I then caught another tram from Market Street to Piccadilly.


I then headed to where a family member lived in order to stay the night.


Overall a good day covering the West Coast Mainline, Merseyrail and TPEs First Class! I also enjoyed riding the Manchester Metrolink again (Last time before then was August last year).


Day 4 is unique since everything was planned the night before travel (it required this since I would otherwise miss an important service...), I was certainly looking forward to it!
 

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Great journey so far .. you are lucky to have family all over the place.

Sadly, the only family I have are my wife's .. and they are in South Africa.

Oh yes, I have cousins in Toronto .. so still not much good for such a UK train adventure. I suppose I could carry a backpack and bring my tent.

I think it was popular to do this sort of thing in Europe many years ago and just pick overnight trains .. so you were travelling while you slept, then could explore new places during the day.

Well Done Oscar M
 

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Day 4

I boarded the 09:46 LNER service from Newark Northgate to Edinburgh Waverley, with a scheduled arrival at 13:12. I had done the East Coast Mainline as far north as Newcastle and I was really looking forward to going beyond there that day. I tried out the Lets Eat At Your Seat service for the second time, hoping that I would actually receive my order! Thankfully my bacon roll, Kit Kat and Pepsi Max arrived not too long after I ordered, success! At £6 for the meal deal this was about what I'd expect to pay on a train, so not a bad price, though I will say the selection of snacks in the meal deal was somewhat lacking. I really enjoyed not only entering Scotland on a train for the first time (second time entering Scotland in my life) but also seeing the views of the coast as we sped up to Edinburgh!

After arrival at Edinburgh Waverley 2 minutes early, I had around 18 minutes until my next train. I took this time to grab some food, specifically a bacon roll from Costa Coffee inside the station. It was expensive at £3.90 on it's own but it was really good! I then boarded the 13:29 ScotRail service to Inverness. I recall seeing that this was meant to be a HST but it seems that something went wrong as it ended up being a class 170, oh well. Regardless, this was a very enjoyable journey. This was my first time to the Highlands and I enjoyed the views! I had a tight 7 minute connection at Inverness which if missed would through my entire plan into the bin. The train was running a little late so I was unsure as to whether I'd make it to my next train.

The train arrived into Inverness 4 minutes late at 17:10 so I had little time to waste making my connection. With just 3 minutes to go, I quickly made my way through two gatelines and luckily made it to my next train, the 17:13 to Aberdeen, which was operated by a HST. The train was quite empty and it was a nice journey to Aberdeen.

Upon arrival at Aberdeen 1 minute early at 19:36, I headed to the Sainsbury's Local near the station to grab some food for my next train, which was going to be my longest ever journey on a single train service yet. Once I arrived back at Aberdeen Station, I waited for the 20:26 Caledonian Sleeper service to London Euston. Boarding commenced later than planned however eventually we departed 18 minutes behind schedule at 20:44. The Caledonian Sleeper would allow me to have an absolutely amazing journey, being able to have a drink in the club car, having a bed in a private room on the train and waking up refreshed with a morning shower included - or at least thats how it would have been if I had bought myself a room supplement. Instead, I was in a seat, though this didn't mean I had a bad journey! Since I was in the same seat (with some minor differences) used in the first class sections on the class 80Xs, this allowed for a comfortable journey. I ordered some food to my seat, specifically some pepperoni pizza twisters, a portion of chips, a packet of salted crisps and a can of Irn-Bru! At £15 this was expensive but as it might be a while until I do it again, whether in a seat or in a berth, I thought I'd just bite the bullet and go for it, I needed some dinner anyway. With that being said, a word of warning for anyone thinking of purchasing food in the seated coach: I didn't think the food wasn't very good, the chips weren't very good in terms of quality and while the pizza twisters were nice, I only got two of them. Whatever I suppose, the views were very nice though and I got to see a lovely sunset! After midnight with the train being stationary at Edinburgh Waverley, I decided to try and drift off to sleep, which I thankfully succeeded in doing. While I did wake up more than once, I actually got more sleep than I expected.

And that is the end of day 4!
 

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Great journey so far .. you are lucky to have family all over the place.
Thanks! I don't really, I'm just deliberately vague on where I'm actually staying (The end of day 1 and day 3 were spent staying at the same place, for example).

I think it was popular to do this sort of thing in Europe many years ago and just pick overnight trains .. so you were travelling while you slept, then could explore new places during the day.
I'd like to experience a sleeper on the mainland sometime! The problem with doing this in the UK is that there are only two sleepers, yes the Caledonian serves multiple destinations in Scotland but you get the gist, I'd be limited as to where I can start and finish my day. It would also be quite tiring being in a seat every night - either that or I have to end up doubling my budget to stay in a room each time.

I absolutely don't envy you doing the seats on the sleeper, they don't sound enjoyable at all!
The seat itself wasn't that bad to be fair - the main complaints I have are that it was a bit firm and there's no winged headrest to lean your head on. Other than that the seat was comfortable enough for me, although perhaps being a teenager helps with that. You also get a complimentary eye mask and ear plugs.

The biggest problem really was the onboard food - My advice is to eat dinner before travelling and bring some of your own snacks with you for the journey!
 
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Oh absolutely agreed on the food thing, I'm a fussy vegan so it pays to be prepared. I'm not as fussy as I used to be, but it's definitely better for me to eat elsewhere and take snacks with me. Which has reminded me that I did just that for today's journeys and haven't actually eaten much of them :D

I'm at the tail end of my 30s and live a very active lifestyle, so I'm sure you can imagine a night on the sleeper seats now is not a fun thought! I did back-to-back nights on the sleepers in 2011, trust me it wasn't a good idea!
 

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That's a shame that the seated menu is a bit watered-down compared to the club car. The cheeseboard is decent though. Well done for surviving Aberdeen-London Euston in a seat. As much as that's not my cup of tea, I am thinking of trying it in the future as it's the only leg of the Highland Sleeper I haven't done yet, so I'm glad to hear you found it acceptable.
 
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