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And yet there were 104k more trains planned in this quarter than a year ago. So even after accounting for more cancellations, more trains actually ended up running.

You could slash the timetable and end up with a really reliable + punctual service. But that would be of little use to anyone.
 

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Apparently we have OLE in Brighton now from Table 3.1

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Also highest level of P coded cancellations were at LNER and NT. DfT should get rid of ORR so they can supress this data on DfT Operator Ltd failure to deliver despite being nationalised.
 

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Apparently we have OLE in Brighton now from Table 3.1

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Also highest level of P coded cancellations were at LNER and NT. DfT should get rid of ORR so they can supress this data on DfT Operator Ltd failure to deliver despite being nationalised.
It's a table of data so that is boring and what is p-coded data? That's just some of the things my cynical brain thinks will put most people off reading, so they can safely publish the info.
 

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Abolishing as in they just count cancellations the way the other 10 operators do who just accept the statistical outcome.
Yes! Rather than deliberating hiding cancellations to manipulate the stats, which is essentially what P-coding is.

I don't have a particularly high opinion of my local operator SWR, but it's never hidden poor performance behind P-coding.
 

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Rather than deliberating hiding cancellations to manipulate the stats, which is essentially what P-coding is.

That is how it has often been used, absolutely, but it should not be banned altogether; When services cannot run as normal, for a length of time, P-coded cancellations and the Emergency Timetable process provide a means of publishing a reliable and deliverable service.
 

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Nearly a third of Scotrail services cancelled today, many p-coded so they're not visible. Again it's the crew's fault for not working our rest days.
 

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That is how it has often been used, absolutely, but it should not be banned altogether; When services cannot run as normal, for a length of time, P-coded cancellations and the Emergency Timetable process provide a means of publishing a reliable and deliverable service.
I think we will disagree on this.

I would automatically add any P-code to overall cancellations figure, or more strictly abandon it. It doesn't really add anything useful, and true emergency timetables (where lines are blocked for a period, due to events beyond railways control) rather than choosing to have an emergency timetable, are so rare they almost certainly affect less than a thousandth of published timetabled trains.
 

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I think we will disagree on this.

I would automatically add any P-code to overall cancellations figure, or more strictly abandon it. It doesn't really add anything useful, and true emergency timetables (where lines are blocked for a period, due to events beyond railways control) rather than choosing to have an emergency timetable, are so rare they almost certainly affect less than a thousandth of published timetabled trains.
Completely agree. Get rid of P-Coding altogether, and while we're about it, the outrageous "timetable of the day". They both allow the railways to manipulate the stats to make performance look better than it is and do not reflect the experience of their customers.
 

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Nearly a third of Scotrail services cancelled today, many p-coded so they're not visible. Again it's the crew's fault for not working our rest days.

Possibly more the facts that we are approaching Christmas, and more importantly, there is an Old Firm Cup Final today. Sundays on Scotrail recently seem to have been quite reliable, whereas today there were multiple, and consecutive, cancellations; For example the first 3 Neilston services, and later on, 4 (four) trains in a row from Glasgow Central to Mount Florida, just when people were trying to get to said Cup Final....
 

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Completely agree. Get rid of P-Coding altogether, and while we're about it, the outrageous "timetable of the day". They both allow the railways to manipulate the stats to make performance look better than it is and do not reflect the experience of their customers.
Either that, or have each one approved by a regulatory body.

Tree down on the line? Not a problem.

Storms forecast which pose a risk to safe operation? Yep, fine.

Using them as a “get out of bad management free card”? No, own it and cough up all the delay repay.
 

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Completely agree. Get rid of P-Coding altogether, and while we're about it, the outrageous "timetable of the day". They both allow the railways to manipulate the stats to make performance look better than it is and do not reflect the experience of their customers.
Both of those suggestions would have a serious negative effect on passengers. P-coding should be included in cancellation stats but if a train is going to be cancelled a cancellation the night before is much easier to plan a journey around than a cancellation on the day, which is what P-coding would be replaced with.
 

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Both of those suggestions would have a serious negative effect on passengers. P-coding should be included in cancellation stats but if a train is going to be cancelled a cancellation the night before is much easier to plan a journey around than a cancellation on the day, which is what P-coding would be replaced with.
They can cancel on the night before and not use P-code.

For the statistic part, explain any day with a spike in cancellation with a table like #95. If cancellation is clearly explained like that, no sensible person will blame the operator.
 
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Both of those suggestions would have a serious negative effect on passengers. P-coding should be included in cancellation stats but if a train is going to be cancelled a cancellation the night before is much easier to plan a journey around than a cancellation on the day, which is what P-coding would be replaced with.
Complete opposite. The "timetable of the day" has absolutely no benefit for passengers whatsoever. It removes trains from the timetable as if they never existed. You can't claim delay repay for a train that doesn't exist. They should be shown as what they are - cancelled. Operators such SWR who don't P-Code manage to do it. All this manipulation is patently self-serving for parts of the industry to make performance look better than it really is and is of positive detriment to passengers.
 

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Completely agree. Get rid of P-Coding altogether, and while we're about it, the outrageous "timetable of the day". They both allow the railways to manipulate the stats to make performance look better than it is and do not reflect the experience of their customers.

They are suitable under certain circumstances - significant event posing known disruption for the next day's timetable. All operators have P-coded in very specific circumstances as requested to by NR.

Unfortunately what used to be a very niche and technical process has become abused.
 
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