ORR Origin-Destination Matrix 2022-23

[Horizon22]

Many thanks for this. It is very interesting.

Clapham Junction to Guildford is 23rd on the Clapham Junction list. It has 1 fast train an hour off peak most hours Monday to Friday and 3 stopping trains. Kingston [upon Thames] is 28th on the list and has 4 trains an hour more direct and 2 that take longer but show up in the journey planner search. All stopping services but it is closer to Clapham Junctiom.

Goes to show, just because you have the higher passenger numbers, doesn't mean it is always possible to provide a better service.

The high number of local journeys in these lists surprised me but perhaps it shouldn't do.

This is being used to help with timetable revisions and any future changes?

Local trips are just part of people's every day and they might even do it more than once even every day. Particularly short hops around London for journeys <20 mins where fewer people have cars.

 

[infobleep]

Local trips are just part of people's every day and they might even do it more than once even every day. Particularly short hops around London for journeys <20 mins where fewer people have cars.

I was thinking more outside of London but I take your point.

 

[gerryuk]

Hi all,

I've updated the Flow Statistics Top 100 search tool with the 2022/2023 dataset;

Labs - Flow Statistics

Estimations (symmetrical) of total passenger journeys made between station pairs as published by the Office of Road and Rail

railalefan.co.uk

Cheers

In 2019-20 2,391 went between Dore & Totley and Manchester Oxford Road. In 2022-23 none seem to have been recorded.

Many Manchester University academic staff used to commute from Sheffield and some still do, although far fewer every day. It seems the Oxford Road figures must have been consolidated with Piccadilly.

In the Northern section, nobody seems to travel between Sheffield and Leeds, In the TP section nobody seems to travel between Sheffield and Manchester Piccadilly? or am i reading this wrong?

 

[JW4]

In the Northern section, nobody seems to travel between Sheffield and Leeds, In the TP section nobody seems to travel between Sheffield and Manchester Piccadilly? or am i reading this wrong?

EMR and Northern also do Sheffield to Manchester,
CrossCountry also does Sheffield to Leeds. Therefore these journeys are not operator exclusive.

 

[stevieinselby]

In the Northern section, nobody seems to travel between Sheffield and Leeds, In the TP section nobody seems to travel between Sheffield and Manchester Piccadilly? or am i reading this wrong?

I don't know what's going on in the Labs but it seems to have a lot of key flows missing – it seems to particularly dislike flows where multiple operators are possible (although not all are excluded).
According to the full dataset, Leeds is the third most common destination from Sheffield (and Sheffield is the 7th most common destination from Leeds), with 318,293 journeys between the two.

 

[bubieyehyeh]

Many thanks for this. It is very interesting.

Clapham Junction to Guildford is 23rd on the Clapham Junction list. It has 1 fast train an hour off peak most hours Monday to Friday and 3 stopping trains. Kingston [upon Thames] is 28th on the list and has 4 trains an hour more direct and 2 that take longer but show up in the journey planner search. All stopping services but it is closer to Clapham Junctiom.

Goes to show, just because you have the higher passenger numbers, doesn't mean it is always possible to provide a better service.

The high number of local journeys in these lists surprised me but perhaps it shouldn't do.

This is being used to help with timetable revisions and any future changes?

Clapham has some odd pricing, I travel to there regularly, but I buy a ticket to a different station routed via clapham junction, since its cheaper.