Opening Doors on the wrong side - Question

[atillathehunn]

please be careful when "grassing" up staff.....

It's fairly easy to tell when the doors have been opened on the wrong side. Common indications are the doors being open on the wrong side.

While not the UK, this happened the other week in Liege and a woman fell on the track, and needed medical attention.

So, thanks, but I will report the member of staff if they open the door on the wrong side. If another train had come she could have been killed.

 

[craigybagel]

There are various methods in use of advising a Driver of whether or not there are passengers wishing to get off at a request stop. The old way of doing things at our place was to go to the front of the train and tell the Driver verbally, usually by popping one's head around the cab door. Then it was decided that opening the cab door might be a distraction, and so it changed to yelling at the Driver through the bulkhead (not at all distracting...), and then finally it was decided that a buzzer code would be best. Initially it was decided to give 'one' for "you need to stop at the approaching request stop", but of course 'one' already has a meaning, which is "stop very quickly indeed!", and so it was altered to 'two', meaning "you don't need to stop at the approaching request stop unless anybody wants to get on". So yes, you might have heard all manner of request stop chat across the network!

Even within ATW there are different methods used by different depots on different lines. That said, although I don't sign North Wales I do work with the crews who do go down there regularly and I believe the normal method of working is stop everywhere, unless it's ok to skip a stop in which case the guard will buzz 2.

 

[bengley]

It's fairly easy to tell when the doors have been opened on the wrong side. Common indications are the doors being open on the wrong side.

While not the UK, this happened the other week in Liege and a woman fell on the track, and needed medical attention.

So, thanks, but I will report the member of staff if they open the door on the wrong side. If another train had come she could have been killed.

Leave the staff to report themselves. There's no reason for passengers to get involved in operational incidents like this. If you have an issue with something on a train, speak to the train crew.

Any member of staff who values their job/doesn't want to go to prison will report themselves if they release the doors on the wrong side.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

On units that have data/event logging functionality, will all door activity (at least releases and closing/lockings) be recorded?

 

[bengley]

On units that have data/event logging functionality, will all door activity (at least releases and closing/lockings) be recorded?

Yeah.

 

[Moonshot]

On units that have data/event logging functionality, will all door activity (at least releases and closing/lockings) be recorded?

Yes they record everything. Downloads happen on a frequent basis.

 

[185]

Yes they record everything. Downloads happen on a frequent basis.

On a 158, I think most only show the released and unreleased parameters. Ie (I think) train wire 4 (?) for the interlock is complete or not. It doesn't show how the circuit is open (ie which door, platform side or not, etc).

Whilst OTMRs are very accurate to the millisecond, they are quite primitive for older stock in what they can record.

 

[Moonshot]

On a 158, I think most only show the released and unreleased parameters. Ie (I think) train wire 4 (?) for the interlock is complete or not. It doesn't show how the circuit is open (ie which door, platform side or not, etc).

Whilst OTMRs are very accurate to the millisecond, they are quite primitive for older stock in what they can record.

I had a briefing and a demonstration about this the other week. There are a hell of a lot of parameters which can be displayed from a menu and it did indeed show what side the doors were opened. This was on old stock.

 

[TheEdge]

On a 158, I think most only show the released and unreleased parameters. Ie (I think) train wire 4 (?) for the interlock is complete or not. It doesn't show how the circuit is open (ie which door, platform side or not, etc).

Whilst OTMRs are very accurate to the millisecond, they are quite primitive for older stock in what they can record.

It can and does. OTMR is watching us all. If it is a safety critical thing OTMR can probably record it.

 

[philthetube]

This happened at Bradford Forster Square platform three last year.

I reported it to Northern at the time because of the implications of someone falling off the train and onto the track.

I hope the guard/driver reported it, the consequences of not doing would be more serious that the actual mistake.

 

[185]

I had a briefing and a demonstration about this the other week. There are a hell of a lot of parameters which can be displayed from a menu and it did indeed show what side the doors were opened. This was on old stock.

Ha, sounds like some places have better kit than others, either that or they are steadily being replaced with newer stuff.

 

[sd0733]

I once had a door fault with a 350 and the siemens guys were waiting for me with a laptop when we got back and they can instantly see off the OTMR which buttons were pressed, when, for how long and how hard. A lot of things off there are used to see who will pay the bill for any delay etc too I believe which is all this one was.

Theres no hiding place, if you screw up on the railway the first thing you have to hold your hands up! As traincrew we get in far less trouble for admitting it than for carrying on and hoping its not noticed and an incident is far better coming from us direct than twitter, facebook, a passenger complaint, another staff member, download or cctv!!

 

[6Gman]

Even within ATW there are different methods used by different depots on different lines. That said, although I don't sign North Wales I do work with the crews who do go down there regularly and I believe the normal method of working is stop everywhere, unless it's ok to skip a stop in which case the guard will buzz 2.

That certainly seems to be the arrangement on the Crewe - Shrewsbury locals though - in my experience - there's usually traffic at stations (though we have skipped Wrenbury and/or Yorton on occasion).

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Does it happen much when you get a situation where say at a given station in the direction of travel, the booked platform is on the left but for whatever reason the train gets routed into another platform which is on the right of the train in the direction of travel

 

[HLE]

It is, its a growing issue sadly in there days of reporting everyone to the authorities despite not knowing what they are reporting (see also dashcams)

Rather like the driver who was reported by a member of the public for passing a red signal and not reporting it. Sadly this dutiful informant wasn't fully aware of the significance of the two white lights under the red signal.

Classic. What kick do people get from trying to drop people in it?

I've known local doors opened wrong side on sprinters a few times. Harm posed? None. As the guard(s) obviously saw the 6ft and didn't put up the door release!

Not an everyday occurrence thankfully, although it could be a lot worse if the door release buttons are pressed wrong side.

 

[sd0733]

Does it happen much when you get a situation where say at a given station in the direction of travel, the booked platform is on the left but for whatever reason the train gets routed into another platform which is on the right of the train in the direction of travel

Yes quite often especially on routes with bi directional signalling. When I work down the WCML all the main stations can now have doors opening either side. But route knowledge enables you to be ready, and generally you can tell where youre going to end up by the speed and the points you cross. But if you do everything properly and to the book as a guard you should never ever open all doors on the wrong side, the final check being the step down, pretty sure most guards will notice a 6ft drop rather than a platform!