Only Fools And Horses graffiti

[DJL]

I've just seen a picture on Facebook of a Southern 377 with some quite extensive grafitii on it paying tribute to Trigger.

I'm not interested in a debate about graffiti itself.

But it did occur to me that I've never seen a train in service with this level of graffiti before. Perhaps on this occasion Southern decided it was acceptable.

This post is only an observation really, I don't have a point or a question.

I'm not sure where or when the picture was taken, sorry.

 

[315804]

It's here...

http://inagist.com/all/425252931290398721/


spotted at Tonbridge

 

[David Goddard]

Perhaps they are introducing a new "Peckham Flyer" service

 

[asylumxl]

But it did occur to me that I've never seen a train in service with this level of graffiti before. Perhaps on this occasion Southern decided it was acceptable.

This is common on FCC 377s. Especially when stabled at Ashford. Bit suspicious when there's several trains closer to the fence .

I was hoping for something a bit more artistic than what the photo shows, but at least it's better than the ****e tags of Tox and the like.

 

[JonathanH]

It was in the sidings on Grosvenor Bridge (on the approaches to Victoria) on Sunday so possibly happened there - 377147 IIRC.

 

[tsr]

Perhaps on this occasion Southern decided it was acceptable.

They didn't. The train was taken out of service ASAP for it to be removed.

 

[TheJRB]

This is common on FCC 377s. Especially when stabled at Ashford. Bit suspicious when there's several trains closer to the fence .

I know I've brought this up before, but I have never in all the times I've been past the East Berthing Sidings adjacent to Newtown Road (by road or train), seen a FCC 377 with graffiti. I'm not saying it never happens, but the fence on the embankment is pretty high there and probably enough to discourage most vandals. Another set stables in the Hitachi Depot but I see this being an even less likely source as I have never seen a single Javelin that has been graffitied.

 

[DJL]

They didn't. The train was taken out of service ASAP for it to be removed.

ASAP?

was it "tagged" while in service then?

 

[Darandio]

ASAP?

was it "tagged" while in service then?

ASAP does have 'Possible' included in it.

 

[tsr]

Erm... excuse me? I thought it was quite clear that I meant that the train was taken out of service as soon as it was possible to find a suitable location & time to do so. I believe it may well have completed one or two journeys in passenger service with the graffiti still present, especially as it would probably have needed to run via Redhill & towards London (or indeed Selhurst) from Tonbridge, where it was most prominently noticed.

The area where some Southern stock is regularly stabled at Tonbridge has been a fairly well-known graffiti hotspot in the past, though it is also possible that it occurred near London Victoria - I'm not sure, to be honest.

 

[zn1]

there is graffiti and tags which is horrendous to look at, some is pure vandalism and some is up there with da vinci, this work was wonderful.

I saw this piece in the mirror yesterday it is not a TAG, that was a work of art, a superb tribute to roger lloyd pack, there are graffiti tags and they look horrendous, but southern should have been paraded around the network, then discreetly put in to selhurst for cleanup.

it was tresspass and wrong, but my god it was a brilliant piece of work, its got major publicity in the rags and the net...

i also believe that the artists shouldnt be prosecuted, but offered jobs , consider that was all freehand work

 

[edwin_m]

Even assuming this qualifies as a work of art, wouldn't showing it off just encourage other and less artistic imitators to expect they could get away with it? Or would that sort of official acceptance instantly kill the credibility of whoever is resonsible?

 

[DJL]

apologies if I mis-understood something but I took "taken out of service asap" to imply that it was already in service.

However, thinking about it, it is possible that the graffiti was done somewhere where cleaning it is not an option because the required equipment, expertise, space or whatever is not available.
Assuming that to be the case the unit would have to be moved to be cleaned and if it can take passengers on route without offending anyone then why not.

Also although my original post said that the train was in service - this was an assumption on my part and may not be true. Maybe it was empty and being moved to somewhere to be cleaned.


As for whether graffiti should be paraded or removed instantly, well that's a topic for another thread. I was only interested really in why this case appeared to be treated differently to most others. The answer appears to be that it wasn't!

 

[455driver]

I saw this piece in the mirror yesterday it is not a TAG, that was a work of art, a superb tribute to roger lloyd pack,

Maybe you would like them to come around and paint the side of your house and car then!

Although this is not offensive graffiti it is still graffitti.

 

[142094]

there is graffiti and tags which is horrendous to look at, some is pure vandalism and some is up there with da vinci, this work was wonderful.

I saw this piece in the mirror yesterday it is not a TAG, that was a work of art, a superb tribute to roger lloyd pack, there are graffiti tags and they look horrendous, but southern should have been paraded around the network, then discreetly put in to selhurst for cleanup.

it was tresspass and wrong, but my god it was a brilliant piece of work, its got major publicity in the rags and the net...

i also believe that the artists shouldnt be prosecuted, but offered jobs , consider that was all freehand work

Consider the fact that money from the fare box has to go to cover the man hours and materials to remove such artwork, then you can see the situation in a different light.

I too agree that some graffiti looks good, but there should be a correct time and a place for 'legal' graffiti on dedicated sites and not the sides of trains.

 

[Oswyntail]

... up there with da vinci, this work was wonderful.
... it is not a TAG, that was a work of art,..., but my god it was a brilliant piece of work... the artists shouldnt be prosecuted, but offered jobs , consider that was all freehand work

Oh please. It is NOT art in any sense of the word. It is a garish painting of the word "Trigger" and a poor copy of the show's logo. Structure? Composition? If that is the concept of art that the vandals aspired to, I suggest some further education might be necessary. And I would suggest you missed the after your attempt at a joke - "up there with Da Vinci".

... a superb tribute to roger lloyd pack...

No, it was not. If it had any relevance to him, it was reducing the career of a superb and versatile actor to a single, minor role in a sitcom from long ago. Not the sort of tribute anyone of any intelligence would want.

 

[hassaanhc]

Not surprised Southern have removed it, as removing the graffiti is what any business would do if they thought it would negatively affect their image in the eyes of potential customers. If graffiti on loads of trains was the first impression given to a casual passenger thinking about booking, then they would assume the interior of the trains is not much good and possibly decide against travelling because of the negative first impression. And leaving this train running around like that could possibly encourage other criminals to vandalise trains too.

 

[Domh245]

I notice some of the rags seemed to be praising it, namely the metro: "It’s what he would have wanted" - No doubt that this may inspire some (very stupid and naive) people to try and do something similar.

 

[arty762]

At the end of the day it is gaffiti pure and simple , it cost money and man hours to remove and often damages the paintwork causing more cost , also do not forget it is tresspass and even stupidity , this is a live electric train , touch the wrong part and zzapp your done , now i don't care about the vandals health but it is me or someone like me that has to clean the mess up.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Maybe you would like them to come around and paint the side of your house and car then! Although this is not offensive graffiti it is still graffitti.

How very well made is the point of this particular posting.