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Online passenger load levels for trains

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ChewChewTrain

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Wouldn’t it be great if RTT et al could tell you how busy each train (or maybe even each carriage) was? And I’m not talking about the hit-and-miss “reported full and standing” that one sometimes sees. Something nerdy and automated, please!

Let’s say you’re waiting at Reading for an up fast. The first one pulls in, and it’s standing room only but there’s still spare room. The next service is due in 5 minutes, and, from my experience, it could be anything from near-empty to an absolute heaving nightmare. Do you twist or stick? While you can try to read the tea leaves in terms of where the services are from, whether they’re short-formed, whether they’re late, etc, it would be nice to have a more concrete indication of what to expect so you can make an informed choice.

I’ve seen “load levels by carriage” displays on ThamesLink services. I don’t know whether they do this by weight or some other means, but would it be so hard in this day and age for all TOCs to do the same thing and upload this data?

Generally, I would rather get there a bit later than have to stand the whole way. (You try being tall and thin…) I’m aware that in many places there isn’t really a choice of what train you can take, but, where there is, it’s surely best all round for passenger distribution to be as optimal as possible.
 
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GTR and Southeastern show loadings on their website by how many seats are available. I believe London Overground do a similar thing but I have only seen it on departure boards at the station
 

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Wouldn’t it be great if RTT et al could tell you how busy each train (or maybe even each carriage) was? And I’m not talking about the hit-and-miss “reported full and standing” that one sometimes sees. Something nerdy and automated, please!
This data is already available for select SouthEastern and Greater Anglia services on my app (see the signature on this post), and the data is available publicly through Darwin. RTT cannot show this data due to licensing issues from what I recall (National Rail requires that their prediction times are used).
I’ve seen “load levels by carriage” displays on ThamesLink services. I don’t know whether they do this by weight or some other means, but would it be so hard in this day and age for all TOCs to do the same thing and upload this data?
The load levels shown on TL are based on weight sensors. SE have proven that GTR could upload live data for their entire electric fleet. The issue appears to be that they need to upload formation information as well, which might be more difficult. Hopefully more progress will be made on this soon, DfT have made most operators appoint "Open Data Champions" to improve data access.
GTR and Southeastern show loadings on their website by how many seats are available. I believe London Overground do a similar thing but I have only seen it on departure boards at the station
Their websites only show average crowding over the last 14 days, not live.
 
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