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I get where the OP is coming from . When im about i just want to be myself !
I do understand it attracts people with Autism , its interesting to why ?
I know some people who appear to be into buses and go through phases of just buses nothing else , just stagecoach buses or a specific bus type . Same with trains or any interest .
 
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You could pick any subject and apply the same thoughts: gardening, brewing, cars, art, baking, literature, music, cooking.
All have experts in the field; Railways just aren't as popular.
The difference with other subjects is people usually find common ground to chat about it. Railways aren't like that. ...

This was exactly my reaction to the OP.
For a time, I took up judo when at university. The guy in charge was some sort of black belt. And a group of us would go to the bar afterwards. He wasn't boring initially, but it quickly became apparent that he could only talk about judo - and he wanted, and assumed he had some right to dominate conversation.

It also became clear to me that he got his whole value out of being a judo expert, and what was unpleasant - from what he said, it was clear that underneath, despite all the oriental pledges to the opposite - he liked hurting people.
I quit after about a month.

Where I disagree with you is where you imply railways aren't so popular. I have plenty of conversations with non-rail freak friends about rail matters and they invariably respond with interest. Then we move onto other subjects. I think it depends on the people - some are just interested in many areas of life - others are rather dead on any subject (except, I suppose, reality TV). But I perhaps I'm just lucky with my friends and colleagues.
 

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Having been on a few forums over the years, I've found that the best ones are those where people can and do discuss topics outside the "core subject" including this one <:D
 

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Given that there are plenty of zero-topic people about, or people who don’t talk about anything other than inane gossip about others, I’d say that one-topic isn’t so bad after all as at least it gives some form of sophisticated conversation.
 

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This is a fascinating subject to me. I love watching people and how they behave. The more different from me the better, at least for a while. Ha ha. I think you get some people interested in railways who are on the autistic spectrum, others who go on and on about what they know about railways but are just completely in to themselves and showing off what they know. I think it is important to try and empathise with people and if you can't be bothered with them learn how to politely remove yourself from a conversation.
 

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This is a fascinating subject to me. I love watching people and how they behave. The more different from me the better, at least for a while. Ha ha. I think you get some people interested in railways who are on the autistic spectrum, others who go on and on about what they know about railways but are just completely in to themselves and showing off what they know. I think it is important to try and empathise with people and if you can't be bothered with them learn how to politely remove yourself from a conversation.

I've always wondered if there's actually that much over-representation of people with autism in the railway enthusiast community, or whether it's merely something which exists in wider life but which is noticeable because of the "in your face" nature of some of the activities railway enthusiasts do.

As I've got older I've increasingly come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as what some might term a "normal" person - pretty much everyone has characteristics which some other people would regard as abnormal, strange, sad or whatever. I guess part of the progression from childhood to adulthood is recognising this, and not expecting people to act in particular ways.

Any non-destructive interest or hobby which keeps someone constructively engaged is in my view a good thing, compared to the alternative which in some cases is what is seen in some places - youths hanging around in stairwells or sitting around bored.
 

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I went to my first forum meal recently. I had prepared to talk about non-railway things, but we spent the few hours talking about trains over drinks and food. Perfectly good way to spend an evening.


I get where the OP is coming from . When im about i just want to be myself !
I do understand it attracts people with Autism , its interesting to why ?
I know some people who appear to be into buses and go through phases of just buses nothing else , just stagecoach buses or a specific bus type . Same with trains or any interest .
Personally, I would say it is to do with familiarity. I've spent years doing railway "stuff" so it is one of the things I know the most about. I am comfortable with the railways in ways that I am not in other situations. My inabilities/inhibitions are much reduced when interacting in a railway-based way.
 

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Given that there are plenty of zero-topic people about, or people who don’t talk about anything other than inane gossip about others, I’d say that one-topic isn’t so bad after all as at least it gives some form of sophisticated conversation.

Do get a fair few younger people who seem to judged you if your interesting and not boring ! Yes i know older people do too .
 

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This is a fascinating subject to me. I love watching people and how they behave. The more different from me the better, at least for a while. Ha ha. I think you get some people interested in railways who are on the autistic spectrum, others who go on and on about what they know about railways but are just completely in to themselves and showing off what they know. I think it is important to try and empathise with people and if you can't be bothered with them learn how to politely remove yourself from a conversation.

I attend a bus event each year and does attract to fair share of people with quirks . From bus enthusiasts who wear bus company ties , shirts and hi vis to a guy who has an ipad an plays traffic scotland traffic everytime the bus sets off .
 

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Yeah, very well said Bramling. I was diagnosed with Anxiety and Depression some 25 years ago for reasons that would now appear obvious. I remember saying to my mum when I was hospitalised that I just wanted to be normal. My mum would ask "What is normal?". It kind of battered my head at the time but now I understand, sadly too late to be able to late to be able to tell my mum. What is normal? It must be pretty boring. Ha ha. I like being a bit weirder than average. I like trains, I like Black Metal, I like travelling, I like football. I'm 44 and I live with my dad. I'm depressed but I'm happy. I can't begin to explain.
 

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Yeah, very well said Bramling. I was diagnosed with Anxiety and Depression some 25 years ago for reasons that would now appear obvious. I remember saying to my mum when I was hospitalised that I just wanted to be normal. My mum would ask "What is normal?". It kind of battered my head at the time but now I understand, sadly too late to be able to late to be able to tell my mum. What is normal? It must be pretty boring. Ha ha. I like being a bit weirder than average. I like trains, I like Black Metal, I like travelling, I like football. I'm 44 and I live with my dad. I'm depressed but I'm happy. I can't begin to explain.

It's perverse that someone with "abnormal" interests is seen as being weird, yet the many people with no interests don't seem to be singled out at all. Just reading this forum shows that many railway enthusiasts will at least be well travelled - in this country if not further - which straight away positively sets them apart from a good amount of the rest of the population. I suspect many here will have found themselves feeling "a bit weirder than average" (a good way of putting it!) at some point, and as you say it's nothing to be bothered about at all, on the contrary in fact.

From a personal point of view I was perhaps "fortunate" in the sense of being an only child and losing my father early on, which led me to develop quite a sense of independence and an "I'll do what I want and don't give a **** what anyone else thinks" attitude. A residual effect of this in later life is this has perhaps led to me sometimes having a slightly aloof attitude to others in the sense that I don't really suffer fools gladly. Maybe things are different nowadays, however I definitely think the education system should do more to emphasise to children in their formative years that there's no such thing as "normal", rather that leaving it as one of life's lessons for people to pick up as they mature.
 

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It's perverse that someone with "abnormal" interests is seen as being weird, yet the many people with no interests don't seem to be singled out at all. Just reading this forum shows that many railway enthusiasts will at least be well travelled - in this country if not further - which straight away positively sets them apart from a good amount of the rest of the population. I suspect many here will have found themselves feeling "a bit weirder than average" (a good way of putting it!) at some point, and as you say it's nothing to be bothered about at all, on the contrary in fact.

From a personal point of view I was perhaps "fortunate" in the sense of being an only child and losing my father early on, which led me to develop quite a sense of independence and an "I'll do what I want and don't give a **** what anyone else thinks" attitude. A residual effect of this in later life is this has perhaps led to me sometimes having a slightly aloof attitude to others in the sense that I don't really suffer fools gladly. Maybe things are different nowadays, however I definitely think the education system should do more to emphasise to children in their formative years that there's no such thing as "normal", rather that leaving it as one of life's lessons for people to pick up as they mature.

I work and study with some younger people and i do like to travel and get out and about , always get asked why etc ? oh where you off to now ? I had to help a guy get to Edinburgh from Glasgow , as such a big deal for him , i guess some people are not curious what lies beyond their locality. Suspect some people think travel is frivolous and waste of money.
 

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I don't think the problem is having an interest you're passionately involved in or necessarily talking about that subject to others, if is how you do it. My uncle is into birdwatching, not my cup of tea, bit when he talks he talks with such obvious love for the subject and how he enjoys how a certain bird flies or moves. I could listen to him talk for hours. I think as a whole as railway enthusiasts are a) not always as enthusiastic about the railway as we should be b) not always as gopd as they should be about explaining what they fkmd exciting and engaging qblit their hobby.
 

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I don't think the problem is having an interest you're passionately involved in or necessarily talking about that subject to others, if is how you do it. My uncle is into birdwatching, not my cup of tea, bit when he talks he talks with such obvious love for the subject and how he enjoys how a certain bird flies or moves. I could listen to him talk for hours. I think as a whole as railway enthusiasts are a) not always as enthusiastic about the railway as we should be b) not always as gopd as they should be about explaining what they fkmd exciting and engaging qblit their hobby.

Mmm -- I suspect that these things are "situational" in various ways -- including "how you (can) do it". There's a very wide span between different people, as regards being word-of-mouth articulate / being entertaining talkers... or not. I suspect that if there were a real hobby which revolved around watching paint dry; someone with a sufficient gift of the gab, could talk about it for hours to people who didn't share the hobby, and have them spellbound. On the other hand, with my brother -- who is a great guy, with very many excellent qualities -- he's not very articulate, and with a conversational style and delivery which is, unfortunately, fundamentally dull. His chief interest in life, and topic of conversation, is what he does for a living -- he's an engineering draughtsman; he can and often does go on for almost-literally hours, about this, and various work-type situations which involve him. Sadly, his way of conversing is such that it all comes across very uninterestingly to us, his other brothers -- and a lot of the time, the details of it all are extremely obscure to us -- we try to listen with some interest, but that is very hard, and we find ourselves heartily wishing that he'd shut up / devising stratagems to try to change the conversational topic.

Other personal dynamics can play a role, I feel. Perceived "monomania" can irritate people, other factors aside. A late uncle of mine was a very lively and interesting talker, essentially on a multitude of subjects; but he and his wife, for about the second half of their lives, got "into" basset hounds -- owning as pets, and sundry other aspects of the basset "fancy"; it quickly became, in the rest of the family's perception, an obsession on their part -- taking over their entire lives. Rightly or wrongly, rest of family tended to have little use for his talk about basset hounds (charming creatures though those are) -- no matter how entertaining his delivery: reaction -- in thought, if not spoken -- was very apt to be, "Uncle, enough with the bassets, already !"

I'd imagine that your uncle is a fairly lively and articulate talker in his own right -- I don't know him, of course, and you do ! I just figure -- many "variables" along the boring-to-fascinating continuum.
 

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I have come across people with the opposite problem : know-alls. There was a guy at work who was an incessant talker about everything and anything. In personality he was like the Inspector in "On the Buses" , with an "authoritative" tone of voice; (in appearance he was like Gollum, dress sense not much better, but that's beside the point). Shoes and ship and sealing wax, politics, railways (yes), cycling, cars, electronics, literature .... I have read quite widely but the more I read the more I realise that I am just scratching the surface and would not pretend to be any sort of authority except on limited matters on a couple of subjects where I have had direct experience.

The funny thing is that when this guy touched on a subject which I did know about, he was generally talking rubbish (I chose not to point it out). I can only assume that the rest of it was rubbish too.
 

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... I've increasingly come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as what some might term a "normal" person - pretty much everyone has characteristics which some other people would regard as abnormal, strange, sad or whatever.
Very true. The only difference is that some things are generally regarded as "balanced" or "normal" and some things are not. For example 100% obsession with society gossip, celebrity scandals, politics, money, football, holidays : these are seen as "normal", probably because those interests are shared by many people. There is a group of about four (out of 10) in my office who will spend all morning comparing the price of beer and the swimming pools in different holiday hotels in Malaga (don't you just hate open-plan offices?). They will talk holidays at every opportunity and seem milldly surprised that not everyone is interested, and even seem to regard you as geeky if you are not.

Railways are actually one of my milder interests, and I see the "problem" of being seen as geeky present in many other hobbies. Computing for example, also chess, model railways (even "worse than real ones, but more private), painting, photography with a camera (as opposed to with a phone), reading, fishing; and lets not even talk about traditional feminine things among women like knitting and needlework, which (according to Mrs Lucan) are held in contempt by "modern" women.
 

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It is a funny old world. My boss was bemoaning the fact that no one else on his team liked football the other day (He is a Celtic fan). I told him I was going to Liverpool's away game at Old Trafford. He was shocked. I explained that I don't just talk about one subject. I particularly try and avoid football, politics and religion in work. Ha ha. In about 10 mins I am off to Goodison for Liverpool away.
 

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It is a funny old world. My boss was bemoaning the fact that no one else on his team liked football the other day (He is a Celtic fan). I told him I was going to Liverpool's away game at Old Trafford. He was shocked. I explained that I don't just talk about one subject. I particularly try and avoid football, politics and religion in work. Ha ha. In about 10 mins I am off to Goodison for Liverpool away.

(My bolding) -- reckon you're wise; whereas your boss manages neatly to combine the three !
 

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I have come across people with the opposite problem : know-alls. There was a guy at work who was an incessant talker about everything and anything. In personality he was like the Inspector in "On the Buses" , with an "authoritative" tone of voice; (in appearance he was like Gollum, dress sense not much better, but that's beside the point). Shoes and ship and sealing wax, politics, railways (yes), cycling, cars, electronics, literature .... I have read quite widely but the more I read the more I realise that I am just scratching the surface and would not pretend to be any sort of authority except on limited matters on a couple of subjects where I have had direct experience.

The funny thing is that when this guy touched on a subject which I did know about, he was generally talking rubbish (I chose not to point it out). I can only assume that the rest of it was rubbish too.

Always feel i come across as a know it all to some people , some people have no idea where this place is or how to get from Edinburgh to Glasgow etc , give me that look or one says how do you know this ? Not rocket science i say
 

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Sometimes I think it’s best simply not to worry too much about what others think. The phrase “it’s not possible to please all people all the time, only some people some of the time” springs to mind. There’s much more interesting things in the world, weird or otherwise!
 

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... “it’s not possible to please all people all the time, only some people some of the time” ...

I like the hillbilly version of this eminently true observation: "Ever' body ain't gonna love ya, less'n you're a hundred-dollar bill."
 

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The comment about some people being unable to read signals made me immediately think ‘that’s why they are train enthusiasts, not train drivers...’
But, seriously, I have an interest in trains, tickets and the best fares / methods of getting from A to B. I also am interested in lots of other subjects, and can talk with others easily; but am not someone who finds starting conversations easy. I’d hate to be thought of as a ‘bore’, on the subject of railways. I have had colleagues who seldom use trains seek my advice, however, and it is gratifying to be able to help. (For example, someone needing to get to Gatwick Airport for an early flight asked me about the eye-watering fares. I suggested buying a return ticket, dated the day before, from Gatwick to their intended point of origin and using only the ‘return’ portion. She was astonished she could use a return ticket up to 04:29 the next calendar day, and save money).

Funnily enough, I overheard a group of HGV-driver colleagues referring to so-called rail ‘anoraks’ once. All were soon distracted by another driver asking the best way to get to a new customer’s site in North London. There then followed an intense 15-minute discussion in which a myriad of options were discussed, involving junctions, flyovers, likely traffic congestion hotspots etc, most of which could - from an outsider’s perspective - quite easily be deemed as having an unhealthy interest in roads !!!
 
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The comment about some people being unable to read signals made me immediately think ‘that’s why they are train enthusiasts, not train drivers...’
But, seriously, I have an interest in trains, tickets and the best fares / methods of getting from A to B. I also am interested in lots of other subjects, and can talk with others easily; but am not someone who finds starting conversations easy. I’d hate to be thought of as a ‘bore’, on the subject of railways. I have had colleagues who seldom use trains seek my advice, however, and it is gratifying to be able to help. (For example, someone needing to get to Gatwick Airport for an early flight asked me about the eye-watering fares. I suggested buying a return ticket, dated the day before, from Gatwick to their intended point of origin and using only the ‘return’ portion. She was astonished she could use a return ticket up to 04:29 the next calendar day, and save money).

Funnily enough, I overheard a group of HGV-driver colleagues referring to so-called rail ‘anoraks’ once. All were soon distracted by another driver asking the best way to get to a new customer’s site in North London. There then followed an intense 15-minute discussion in which a myriad of options were discussed, involving junctions, flyovers, likely traffic congestion hotspots etc, most of which could - from an outsider’s perspective - quite easily be deemed as having an unhealthy interest in roads !!!
Yeah you get all kinds of anoraks. Football anoraks can be very boring, I go home and away to Liverpool games but can, I hope, hold a discussion about something else. Gaming panoramas well along with many others. Some hobbies seem more socially acceptable than others and I struggle to see why.
 

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I believe that part of the perceived problem here is thresholds and tolerance. i happen to have a high threshold for others and their desired topic of conversation - if it's not offensive to me (or illegal!) I'll generally put up with it and try to remain civil. It really doesn't bother me but I do understand how others respond differently. We're just different!

And as for the "spectrum" and railways, I have a theory (probably not that scientific, TBH). I have a nephew who has been diagnosed as being highly autistic. He likes order and structure. He is obsessed with bus and train timetables and loves a busy station where he can see the arrival and departure boards where he basically gives a running commentary of services and their performance to timetable. I strongly suspect that the ordered and highly structured nature of the railway (signals, rules, running on rails, timetables, specific roles, availability of data etc) appeals to the behavioural cues created by his condition. I can see why there could be a link between his love of the railways and this type of condition.
 

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And as for the "spectrum" and railways, I have a theory (probably not that scientific, TBH). I have a nephew who has been diagnosed as being highly autistic. He likes order and structure. He is obsessed with bus and train timetables and loves a busy station where he can see the arrival and departure boards where he basically gives a running commentary of services and their performance to timetable. I strongly suspect that the ordered and highly structured nature of the railway (signals, rules, running on rails, timetables, specific roles, availability of data etc) appeals to the behavioural cues created by his condition. I can see why there could be a link between his love of the railways and this type of condition.
Pretty much bang on in my experience. That's certainly a big factor in my interest.
 

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That's true. Now in my case people probably think "that bloke might be on the spectrum... he's definitely a bit odd!" :lol:

The majority seem to be like that. Let's not forget endlessly waffling on about their partners.
 
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