One to test your knowledge

[EE Type 3]

I'll post a few questions here to rack your brains

All answers below, I'll reveal the answers Saturday Night/Sunday Morning

Q1. What is unusual about 66001 & 66002 compared to all the other EWS class 66s?

Q2. Which transmission was used on the Class 52 diesel hydraulic locos?

Q3. What was 60500's previous number?

Q4. What name did 56032 recieve in 1983, and what was the date it was named?

Q5. D827's name?

Q6. 37796 to 37803 differ from the rest of the class 37/7's because...?

Q7. A signal is seen to be flashing a single or double yellow aspect. What does this mean?

Get cracking

 

[laseandre]

4. 56032 - County of South Glamorgan 14/10/83

 

[Galvanize]

I'll post a few questions here to rack your brains

All answers below, I'll reveal the answers Saturday Night/Sunday Morning

Q1. What is unusual about 66001 & 66002 compared to all the other EWS class 66s?
Not sure

Q2. Which transmission was used on the Class 52 diesel hydraulic locos?
Voith

Q3. What was 60500's previous number?
60016
Q4. What name did 56032 recieve in 1983, and what was the date it was named?
Ain't got a clue
Q5. D827's name?
dunno
Q6. 37796 to 37803 differ from the rest of the class 37/7's because...?
Hmm
Q7. A signal is seen to be flashing a single or double yellow aspect. What does this mean?
"Calling on signal" indicating that a train is going to cross the high speed crossings?
Get cracking

 

[CraigS]

Q1. What is unusual about 66001 & 66002 compared to all the other EWS class 66s?

They don't have the swing-head buckeye couplings like 66003-250 have?
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Q5. D827's name?

Kelly.

 

[christopher]

Q1. What is unusual about 66001 & 66002 compared to all the other EWS class 66s? There 66001 and 66002

Q2. Which transmission was used on the Class 52 diesel hydraulic locos?One that works

Q4. What name did 56032 recieve in 1983, and what was the date it was named?A nice one

Q5. D827's name? Elizabeth

Q6. 37796 to 37803 differ from the rest of the class 37/7's because...? Ruston Engined

Q7. A signal is seen to be flashing a single or double yellow aspect. What does this mean? The signalman dont like you

Sorry, im bored

 

[EE Type 3]

Sorry, im bored

Well take it somewhere else :roll:

 

[Muttley]

Q7. A signal is seen to be flashing a single or double yellow aspect. What does this mean?

Its a junction indicator indicating a diverging route has been set.

Double flashing yellow- single flashing yellow- single yellow with route indicator- be prepared to stop, next ones red.

It was devised to get over the old system of the diverging aspect being held at red until approach lit by the train. This was thought to speed up the junction process, but in reality it means the train is stopping just one block further on- thus hardly likely to be setting speed records.

 

[Jord]

I know 66001 when it came accross the pond, didn't have the cover over the horns? but that's now change and there just like the rest of them...

 

[P156KWJ]

001 and 002 do not have buckeyes, therefore cannot be used on HTA coal trains with buckeyes raised etc

 

[Gizmogle]

Ah crap. I actually knew the flashing double yellow cause there was a huge thread about it last year

 

[O L Leigh]

Its a junction indicator indicating a diverging route has been set.

Double flashing yellow- single flashing yellow- single yellow with route indicator- be prepared to stop, next ones red.

It was devised to get over the old system of the diverging aspect being held at red until approach lit by the train. This was thought to speed up the junction process, but in reality it means the train is stopping just one block further on- thus hardly likely to be setting speed records.

...though not necessarily.

The junction signal could be any aspect but red, but you have to assume that it will be a Y and drive accordingly as if you would be stopping at the next peg.

We have a number of junctions with flashing yellows and it's very common to get Flashing YY - Flashing Y - G and no reds anywhere else. You'll only get thrown a red once you're around the corner if you need to be stopped for some other reason, like another train ahead.

It's still a quicker system than the old approach controlled junction. With this the signal wouldn't clear until after you've gone over the AWS magnet, so you were probably down to about 10mph there anyway. At least with this one you can make a judgement about your speed as soon as you catch sight of the junction signal plus, using your route knowledge, you know how far it is to the next signal in case it is red and can be braking for that one. You may not be setting any speed records or even taking the junction at the full linespeed, but this system does get you across the points and onto the diverging route much more quickly.

O L Leigh

 

[37402]

Q1. What is unusual about 66001 & 66002 compared to all the other EWS class 66s?
1. You will never find them allocated to EWS Energy due to no knuckle couplers. The positioning of the lifting lugs on the front ends would have affected the operation of the swinging mechanism.
2. The bodyside grilles are painted red (rather than black as with the other 248 ).

Q6. 37796 to 37803 differ from the rest of the class 37/7's because...?
GEC alternators as opposed to Brush (as on the rest of the heavyweights.)

 

[Muttley]

...though not necessarily.

The junction signal could be any aspect but red, but you have to assume that it will be a Y and drive accordingly as if you would be stopping at the next peg.

We have a number of junctions with flashing yellows and it's very common to get Flashing YY - Flashing Y - G and no reds anywhere else. You'll only get thrown a red once you're around the corner if you need to be stopped for some other reason, like another train ahead.

It's still a quicker system than the old approach controlled junction. With this the signal wouldn't clear until after you've gone over the AWS magnet, so you were probably down to about 10mph there anyway. At least with this one you can make a judgement about your speed as soon as you catch sight of the junction signal plus, using your route knowledge, you know how far it is to the next signal in case it is red and can be braking for that one. You may not be setting any speed records or even taking the junction at the full linespeed, but this system does get you across the points and onto the diverging route much more quickly.

O L Leigh

I can see Slash`s point of view.
All the above could be condensed into- "stopping one block on". Now why didn`t i think of that ?

 

[EE Type 3]

Good on you all for trying some of the questions, can't you have a go at all the rest?

I'll reveal the results tomorrow morning sometime

Dave
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Right, here are the answers.

Q1. What is unusual about 66001 & 66002 compared to all the other EWS class 66s? They both have screwlink couplers, for working in the South West

Q2. Which transmission was used on the Class 52 diesel hydraulic locos? Voith 1630rv

Q3. What was 60500's previous number? 60016

Q4. What name did 56032 recieve in 1983, and what was the date it was named? 'Sir De Morgannwg/County of South Glamorgan', and it was named on the 14th October 1983

Q5. D827's name? Kelly

Q6. 37796 to 37803 differ from the rest of the class 37/7's because...? They have GEC Alternators instead of Brush

Q7. A signal is seen to be flashing a single or double yellow aspect. What does this mean? The junction ahead is set for the divergent route

Now then, read up on some more random knowledge, I'll be back with another quiz soon

 

[37402]

Q1. What is unusual about 66001 & 66002 compared to all the other EWS class 66s? They both have screwlink couplers, for working in the South West

I'm sorry, that isn't correct. There is no restriction (location-wise or otherwise) on 001/002 other than being non-coal locos.

 

[furryfeet]

the junction signal CAN be red, IF the divergent route is blocked beyond the junction signal.
this was the fatal mistake made by the driver of the manchester bound train in the colwich crash. He assumed that the junction signal would be showing a proceed aspect, having had flashing yellow and flashing double-yellow and hence misjudged his braking distance causing his train to overrun the signal and collide with the train from liverpool which had already been given a clear road through the junction crossover.
The junction signal would have cleared automatically as soon as the junction track circuit became unoccupied.

 

[O L Leigh]

If the junction signal was red, then the preceding signals CANNOT flash. Instead, you would get the normal signalling sequence of G - YY - Y - R. The whole point of having flashing yellow signals is that it shows that the diverging route IS set and clear, at least as far as the first signal AFTER the junction signal. There is no way that you would get flashing yellows and then a red unless something drastic happened and the signaller had to put the road back on you at the very last minute.

The mistake made by the driver of the Manchester train (one that has been repeated, though not with such drastic consequences) was that he assumed the cautionary signals were flashing as per usual and failed to correctly identify that he was seeing STEADY yellows to warn him of a red further up the road.

O L Leigh

 

[Tomnick]

As I understand the Colwich accident, the driver did receive flashing YY (1) and flashing Y (2), but these were related to the Down Fast to Down Slow crossover prior to Colwich Junction itself. The signal protecting that crossover was displaying a steady yellow + junction indicator (3), and he failed to recognise that this meant that the next signal was at danger (4). That next signal was the one protecting Colwich Junction itself, where the Down Slow crossed the Up Fast - the train coming to a stand on the diamond crossing.

Hopefully no-one objects to the attached screenshot from Simsig, which I've used purely to illustrate the layout. The numbers that I've added relate to the description above, and not real signal numbers. Note that, with the route set only as far as signal "4", "3" has reverted to approach control from red, presumably as a result of modifications following the accident.

 

[EE Type 3]

I'm sorry, that isn't correct. There is no restriction (location-wise or otherwise) on 001/002 other than being non-coal locos.

I know there isn't now, there never has been any restriction, but that was the reason they kept the screwlink couplings when delivered. I even saw 66001 at Cossington on tanks a while back http://daviddawson.fotopic.net/p51214593.html

 

[Respite]

Q1. What is unusual about 66001 & 66002 compared to all the other EWS class 66s?

Answer Q1. 66001 & 002 are different to the rest of the class due to the fact when they first arrived we all thought no one would be stupid enough to order anymore, there was still hope at this point. However we were all wrong & sure enough EWS was actually stupid enough to get more.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

003/4/5 arrived before 002!!!












Thinking about it.....Didn't half the fleet arrive before 002????

 

[Broken Viking]

Hail All!

Answer Q1. 66001 & 002 are different to the rest of the class due to the fact when they first arrived we all thought no one would be stupid enough to order anymore, there was still hope at this point. However we were all wrong & sure enough EWS was actually stupid enough to get more.

Quoted for extreme truth...Who on Earth decided that the Shed was a good buy anyway? :roll:
(I wouldn't object to a handful or two of 'em around the network for presence, but whole yards full of the things?... )

Anyhow, I know that the answer has already been given, and I'm going on differences between US and UK rail conventions here...But as 66001 and 66002 were effectively prototypes and therefore originally built to American standards, wouldn't the drivers controls in both units be on the right-hand side of the cab, as opposed to the left? 8)

Farewell...
>> Death <<

 

[EE Type 3]

Answer Q1. 66001 & 002 are different to the rest of the class due to the fact when they first arrived we all thought no one would be stupid enough to order anymore, there was still hope at this point. However we were all wrong & sure enough EWS was actually stupid enough to get more.

I don't care if its wrong, I'm making Shane the winner