Old Working Timetable info

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Afternoon all,


Does anyone have old Working timetables that could look up the following info for me please.

Currently Timing load The Woking TT uses these:



Does anyone know what was used for old railway things like:
Steam Railcars?
Steam Locomotives.
DMU (First Generation)

Are there any others ?

Thanks in advance,

 

[30907]

Afternoon all,


Does anyone have old Working timetables that could look up the following info for me please.

Currently Timing load The Woking TT uses these:

View attachment 169313

Does anyone know what was used for old railway things like:
Steam Railcars?
Steam Locomotives.
DMU (First Generation)

Are there any others ?

Thanks in advance,

Starter for 10.
Steam locos had maximum loads for freight and passenger on different routes.
The SR had a handful of limited-load trains (400t) from the mid 50s, while the LMS (in particular) had various timings (which I will leave others to explain).

As to DMUs - D1 to D4 (and further up?) were used, also (T) if a van or other tail load was carried. Not sure these were universal, or when they started.

 

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Starter for 10.
Steam locos had maximum loads for freight and passenger on different routes.
The SR had a handful of limited-load trains (400t) from the mid 50s, while the LMS (in particular) had various timings (which I will leave others to explain).

As to DMUs - D1 to D4 (and further up?) were used, also (T) if a van or other tail load was carried. Not sure these were universal, or when they started.

Thanks.
It's for timetables in North Yorkshire area

I know the Scarborough to Whitby line often had DMUs on it.
Whitby to Malton line had DMUs sometimes.
Esk Valley Line had DMUs.
Forge Valley Line had sentinel Steam Railcars
Gilling to Pickering - I have no idea yet.
Cleveland Railways (Boosbeck and Guisborough) were all steam locos and coaching stock.

As an aside I have a newspaper timetable from 1875 and on it it shows the times with "1 2 3" and "1 2 G" on it. I am guessing that is first, second, and third class and G being goods.

 

[Magdalia]

I do a lot of research using Working timetables. Each of the regions did things differently. You need a contents page of a North Eastern Region Working Timetable from the period that you are interested in. Have you looked in Timetable World?

I am most familiar with Eastern Region working timetables, especially the Modernisation Plan era in East Anglia. In Eastern Region working timetables there was a period where the default was a loco hauled train, and "diesel" meant DMU. After steam finished, the default was usually DMU in rural East Anglia and EMU in the Liverpool Street suburban area, with H for loco hauled and also DU for diesel units in the suburban area. Some working timetables had different defaults for different tables within the same book.

There isn't much in Eastern Region working timetables about train formations, carriage working books are the source for that. The working timetables use a spade symbol to denote trains that were not allowed to convey 4 wheeled vans, and HC for loco hauled trains that were not allowed to convey additional non-passenger vehicles.

Given your area of interest have you looked at what is available from the North Eastern Railway Association?

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Thanks.
I've got several publications from the NERA in the past they are great