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Hello

Does anyone know of a way that I can find train times as I can for current trains on trainline etc only for years ago so basically a journey planner back dated

Thanks in advance
 
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There’s a National rail timetable archive website which has a lot of previous timetables for I think most timetables in the Network Rail era. Don’t know how legitimate it is but it has the data. Just old pdfs so it’s a little clunky.
Seems to have Working timetables some of which go back to the 90s
 

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There’s a National rail timetable archive website which has a lot of previous timetables for I think most timetables in the Network Rail era. Don’t know how legitimate it is but it has the data. Just old pdfs so it’s a little clunky
I think I have seen that was looking for something more interactive but if I can't find one then I'll take a look at that thanks
 

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@Trains1. Why would you expect there to be interactive timetables still accessible, with respect to past journeys possible several years ago? What @MerlinRail 804 has suggested might be the best that you can hope for.
 
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If you want a general idea of service levels from a particular station, then announcement compilation videos for that particular station on YouTube would give a bit of an indication.
 

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@Trains1. Why would you expect there to be interactive timetables still accessible, with respect to past journeys possible several years ago? What @MerlinRail 804 has suggested might be the best that you can hope for.
Well there is the wayback machine aka Internet archive and being as there are a lot of people that are in to trains I was thinking someone somewhere might have taken the pdf type and made it an interactive journey planner
 
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As has been previously mentioned, the NRT & WTT archive has previous editions of the Timetable in PDF format.

Railway Data has PDF files go back to 2011 for many routes.
www.railwaydata.co.uk/timetables/gbr

Charlwoodhouse's Open Rail holds historical train running data for the past 3 years.

Alternatively, if there's a date and route you're interested in, and I have the data for it, I'd be happy to compile a historical timetable for you.
 

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If you want a general idea of service levels from a particular station, then announcement compilation videos for that particular station on YouTube would give a bit of an indicati

As has been previously mentioned, the NRT & WTT archive has previous editions of the Timetable in PDF format.

Railway Data has PDF files go back to 2011 for many routes.
www.railwaydata.co.uk/timetables/gbr

Charlwoodhouse's Open Rail holds historical train running data for the past 3 years.

Alternatively, if there's a date and route you're interested in, and I have the data for it, I'd be happy to compile a historical timetable for you.
Thank you i am looking for Knutsford (KNF) around 1990 before the line from Altrincham (ALT) to Manchester closed and was reopened to Trams

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Thank you i am looking for Knutsford (KNF) around 1990 before the line from Altrincham (ALT) to Manchester closed and was reopened to Trams

Thanks
Hopefully these are readable, and what you're after :)
The table contains all passenger services calling at Knutsford.
 

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Thank you i am looking for Knutsford (KNF) around 1990 before the line from Altrincham (ALT) to Manchester closed and was reopened to Trams

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Interesting though the timetables posted at #10 are, they are for after the line via Sale closed. If that is specifically what you are looking for I think you need to be looking at c1988?
 

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Line timetable from 1986 attached.
More relevantly, table 98 actually. I was thinking “Sale” so that’s in table 81.
 

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Line timetable from 1986 attached.
More relevantly, table 98 actually. I was thinking “Sale” so that’s in table 81.
Thank you

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Hopefully these are readable, and what you're after :)
The table contains all passenger services calling at Knutsford.
Thank you
 
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Interesting though the timetables posted at #10 are, they are for after the line via Sale closed. If that is specifically what you are looking for I think you need to be looking at c1988?
I'm assuming the line via Sale was still open at the time of publication, as it shows Sunday services calling at the station. Having said that, it wouldn't be beyond they realms of possibility for the timetable to not reflect a lines closure, and for it to be later included the often quite lengthy timetable ammendments booklet.
Line timetable from 1986 attached.
More relevantly, table 98 actually. I was thinking “Sale” so that’s in table 81.
These are suberb to see, thank you!
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I never realised services operated via Stockport so early and Sale was only served on Sundays. Anyone know when that change happened?
 

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I never realised services operated via Stockport so early and Sale was only served on Sundays. Anyone know when that change happened?
1989 was the first timetable year that Chester services went via Stockport, but not on Sundays. In 1988 the services all went via Sale. In both years the EMU service to Altrincham still ran; Metrolink was approved in 1988 but didn’t start running until 1992.
 

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1989 was the first timetable year that Chester services went via Stockport, but not on Sundays. In 1988 the services all went via Sale. In both years the EMU service to Altrincham still ran; Metrolink was approved in 1988 but didn’t start running until 1992.
That's essentially correct. Manchester->Chester DMU services, except on Sundays, stopped going via Sale, and were then re-routed via Stockport/Baguley, with effect from Monday 15th May 1989. The Sundays service was similarly re-routed from Sunday 20th May 1990. Manchester->Altrincham EMU rail services, via Sale, ended Christmas Eve, Tuesday 24th December 1991.

Metrolink tram services from Manchester->Altrincham, via Sale, commenced Monday 15th June 1992, although there had been test runs (with no passengers) for several weeks beforehand.
 

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what class of EMU did they used to run on those lines please
Usually Class 304 (very occasionally Class 310 back in the 1970s and from the mid 1980s onwards, Class 303), this during the period of 25kV AC operation on the Altrincham line which lasted between May 1971 and December 1991, i.e. from Altrincham into Manchester Oxford Road / Manchester Piccadilly and beyond.

P.S. Believe Class 305 EMUs were briefly seen on the Altrincham line in 1991, albeit on training runs, and not in revenue-earning service.
 
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Usually Class 304 (very occasionally Class 310 back in the 1970s and from the mid 1980s onwards, Class 303), this during the period of 25kV AC operation on the Altrincham line which lasted between May 1971 and December 1991, i.e. from Altrincham into Manchester Oxford Road / Manchester Piccadilly and beyond.

P.S. Believe Class 305 EMUs were briefly seen on the Altrincham line in 1991, albeit on training runs, and not in revenue-earning service.
thank you. I don't suppose you know what DMUs used to go on to Chester Via Knutsford
 

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thank you. I don't suppose you know what DMUs used to go on to Chester Via Knutsford
Classes 101, 104 and 108 back in the day certainly. More recently classes 142, 150 and 156. Also Classes 158 and 175 at times. Maybe others. What time span are you looking at, as DMUs still go to Chester via Knutsford?
 

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Classes 101, 104 and 108 back in the day certainly. More recently classes 142, 150 and 156. Also Classes 158 and 175 at times. Maybe others. What time span are you looking at, as DMUs still go to Chester via Knutsford?
just around the time the 1980's in recent years I've seen the 150 and 156 run by Northern and I think I've seen a 175 by TFW don't know when the 142 last ran on that line.
 
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